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re: Kyle Rittenhouse- Jury Instructions/Closing Arguments
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:55 am to Jake88
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:55 am to Jake88
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In which direction? I haven't paid much attention to this.
If I had to guess he will get a slap on the wrist and time served for something, but won't get convicted of the serious charges. He will get lucky that his defenses frick ups won't cost him.
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Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:57 am to rumproast
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:57 am to Jcorye1
this is such a mess... The jury is going to be so confused.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:57 am to Lsut81
Yeah wtf is going on 
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:59 am to Lsut81
Even the judge is confused. How is a Walmart employee, fed ex driver, etc supposed to understand this crap?
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:00 am to Wiseguy
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In fact, I don’t like the concept period. Charge the defendant with what you think he is guilty of. If you don’t have the evidence to convict then charge them with the lesser offense from the start. It would stop some of the overcharging that happens.
Precisely. I know it's been a common practice in America for, who knows how long, but it's absurd. They overcharge in hopes of getting a conviction but also knowing they can just add lesser charges at the end of the trial to get a conviction on something.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:00 am to 225bred
Amazing that they can plug and play with instructions like they can...
The good thing for Rittenhouse is, the Prosecution can't appeal the verdict, whereas he can if found guilty.
The good thing for Rittenhouse is, the Prosecution can't appeal the verdict, whereas he can if found guilty.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:01 am to MFn GIMP
I got out of one of my meetings early so I'm getting a chance to listen for a bit. Of course as soon as I unmute my TV I hear Binger lying about what the Judge was saying.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:03 am to MFn GIMP
Are the families of Rosenbaum, Huber or Grossgrits present at the court demanding justice? Just curious.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:03 am to Lsut81
"Perfect" self defense is very misleading and pigeon holes you into a specific set of a definition. Glad the judge is reversing that.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:04 am to 225bred
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Yeah wtf is going on
Pretty simple. If they find that he is not guilty by reason of self defense, for the a charged crime, they then do not need to deliberate on a lesser charge for that specific offense
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 11:05 am
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:04 am to MFn GIMP
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They overcharge in hopes of getting a conviction but also knowing they can just add lesser charges at the end of the trial to get a conviction on something.
It seems that the defense could have tweaked their questioning to cover those lesser charges had they been there since the beginning. Added after the fact, is there a chance the defense was unable to address those charges during the trial and, therefore, he’s found guilty when he wouldn’t have if those charges were there from the beginning?
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:06 am to IT_Dawg
Perfect way to say it right there as the judge did
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:07 am to IT_Dawg
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Perfect way to say it right there as the judge did
Yep.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:08 am to KosmoCramer
The judge giving jury instructions from memory like a boss.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:08 am to KosmoCramer
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Mr. Rittenhouse had the option to not allow the prosecution to have the lesser charges included and have another trial.
He chose not to do that.
This is not entirely accurate. He had an opportunity to object to certain lesser and includeds that his lawyers didn't object to. Him objecting would not necessarily have resulted in them being excluded by the judge. The judge had already weighed in on all of the ones which the defense objected to. Struck most of the ones they objected to and allowed others. Allowed the ones the defense did not object to. All Kyle had the opportunity to do was to insist on an objected to the ones his lawyer did not object to.
Otherwise, there would be no need for the judge to consider any of the lesser and includeds they argued about. Rittenhouse would have just objected if that were the case, playing a trump card and they would be dropped. That's not how it works.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:09 am to Putty
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This is not entirely accurate. He had an opportunity to object to certain lesser and includeds that his lawyers didn't object to. Him objecting would not necessarily have resulted in them being excluded by the judge. The judge had already weighed in on all of the ones which the defense objected to. Struck most of the ones they objected to and allowed others. Allowed the ones the defense did not object to. All Kyle had the opportunity to do was to insist on an objected to the ones his lawyer did not object to.
Otherwise, there would be no need for the judge to consider any of the lesser and includeds they argued about. Rittenhouse would have just objected if that were the case, playing a trump card and they would be dropped. That's not how it works.
Very true and more accurate than my response.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:10 am to Putty
Law Stream shut down. YouTube is big brother.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:10 am to KosmoCramer
welp youtube dropped the stream
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:10 am to KosmoCramer
LOL youtube doing work. banned rekieta stream
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