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re: Knee to the neck just debunked in court

Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:50 pm to
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:50 pm to
quote:

the 19ng/ml of Methamphetamines found in the Tox report is an extremely low number.



What would be an expected level for someone "high" on meth?
Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
4361 posts
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:00 pm to
The typical dose is somewhere around 200mg and they found 19ng. A Nanogram is 1 million times smaller.

ETA: but as I said earlier serum levels don't always correspond to dose levels and depend on metabolism.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 10:05 pm
Posted by LSU7096
Member since May 2004
2949 posts
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:09 pm to
The suspect should have been left in the back of the patrol vehicle once he was in there. Their sympathy for him and his "claustrophobia" lead them to take him out of the vehicle b where he was secure. He was then subdued and died due to injested drugs.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6534 posts
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:55 pm to
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He didn't kill, nor cause the death of Floyd.


Hmm. Why do all of the medical experts involved disagree with you?
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6534 posts
Posted on 4/5/21 at 11:01 pm to
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So we kneel on a guy who can't breathe? I just don't see how this supports Chauvin's defense.


It’s about as reasonable as when someone is having trouble breathing you decide to help by holding a pillow over their face. Your defense at trial is that If they would have been healthier then they wouldn’t have died.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 11:03 pm
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
89794 posts
Posted on 4/5/21 at 11:19 pm to

beyond a reasonable doubt. the prosceution has the burden here and a fair trial should give a fair verdict. the whole thing is shrouded in doubt. cause of death testimony is this week, we will see how fair this trial really is
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
15784 posts
Posted on 4/5/21 at 11:27 pm to
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Just saw the defense examination of the 'knee to the neck" and it shows the knee was on the shoulder.

Is there a video you can link? Google only generates the cell phone video we all saw.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6534 posts
Posted on 4/5/21 at 11:50 pm to
quote:


beyond a reasonable doubt. the prosceution has the burden here and a fair trial should give a fair verdict. the whole thing is shrouded in doubt. cause of death testimony is this week, we will see how fair this trial really is


There isn’t much doubt from the medical evidence and records explicitly determining homicide occurred. Medical records are legal documents, I wouldn’t hold my breath for doctors to willfully suggest they lied on a legal document. DCs supervisors and colleagues testified that DC acted outside of policy. If your reasonable doubt is the prospect of an overdose, well none of the experts share that view. Doubting homicide at this point just is not reasonable.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26960 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:01 am to
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I wouldn’t hold my breath for doctors to willfully suggest they lied on a legal document.



Yes, nobody has ever lied on a document filed in court.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6534 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:25 am to
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Yes, nobody has ever lied on a document filed in court.


Keep holding your breath
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
89794 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:38 am to
no the reasonable doubt is that chauvin directly killed him

he had covid
heart condition
drugs in his system
panic attack
prior history of overdose

I think reckless endangerment is appropriate, but the training testimony and the body cam footage didnt help the prosecution in my opinion. I think the police commissioner and the lieutenant were awful, the female firefighter was even worse

they might have landed with some of the eyewitness testimony, the sidewalk footage is damning. murder and manslaughter are pretty steep to prove in this case, the defense should pick apart the medical evidence

you are blind if you think politics didnt play into the ME report
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
12637 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 1:21 am to
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well none of the experts share that view

You don't think the defense is going to provide experts that not only don't share that view but say it is outright false?

One doctor can't say another doctor is wrong? That's laughable.
Posted by mametoo
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
3278 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 4:42 am to
quote:

Sean Hannity says he is available to show his martial arts skills to police and how to safely subdue a suspect in seconds.


I missed that. What did he say?
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
93051 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 5:08 am to
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He should have been in the car.
Cop guilty.


Good god man. Then your ilk would bitch “WHY DIDNT CHAUVIN TAKE HIM OUT OF THE CRUISER IF HE SAID HE COULDNT BREATHE??”
Posted by BiteMe2020
Texas
Member since Nov 2020
7284 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 5:56 am to
quote:

You are the one appealing to the "he said he didn't breathe". Usually, you would be saying "they're just lying for the cameras". Now, you seem to be arguing he was absolutely telling the truth - but yet somehow Chauvin was right to kneel on him well past the point of motionlessness.


Suffice to say there's reasonable doubt, and plenty of it.
Posted by Mindenfan
Minden
Member since Sep 2006
4823 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:01 am to
Pharmacokinetics
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:06 am to
If you think this will have any bearing on the ultimate guilty verdict, you're dreaming. This is a slow-motion version of more capitulating/bending the knee to the cancelistas.
Posted by BiteMe2020
Texas
Member since Nov 2020
7284 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:51 am to
quote:

There isn’t much doubt from the medical evidence and records explicitly determining homicide occurred. Medical records are legal documents, I wouldn’t hold my breath for doctors to willfully suggest they lied on a legal document.


One of the reports, at least, said if Floyd had been found in his home dead, overdose would have been the cause of death. = Reasonable doubt.

quote:

DCs supervisors and colleagues testified that DC acted outside of policy. If your reasonable doubt is the prospect of an overdose, well none of the experts share that view. Doubting homicide at this point just is not reasonable.


That's simply not true.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:56 am to
debunk vs refute

The defense certainly refuted the claim (quite effectively).
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 7:29 am
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24154 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:05 am to
That article needs more contextual definition.

For example:

When used by a progressive; likely affirmed as true.
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