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re: Knee to the neck just debunked in court
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:08 am to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:08 am to Big Scrub TX
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So we kneel on a guy who can't breathe? I just don't see how this supports Chauvin's defense.
It shows he was lying about not being able to breath
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Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:10 am to Turbeauxdog
And at the end of it all, regardless of outcome, “peaceful protestors” are going to set shite on fire and loot and destroy local businesses.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:21 am to Big Scrub TX
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So we kneel on a guy who can't breathe? I just don't see how this supports Chauvin's defense.
You kneel on a guy that you know has overdosed on dope or alcohol, so that he is facing down. That way, he can't turn over on his back, because if he turns over on his back and vomits, he can drown. This can happen even after he passes out. You need to keep them face down.
The cops knew that Floyd had OD'd, but they had no way of knowing that his OD was lethal level. They're not mind readers.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:24 am to AMS
Sorry Ams your case has been blown up by the defense but you're too freaking stupid to see it. The prosecution has been put on its heels and forced to change their game plan due to Nelson. The 9 minutes knee LIE has been destroyed, its been proven that his " friends " with him were actually his drug dealers who sold him pills made of meth and fentanyl . The defense got the doctor, that pronounced floyd dead, to admit that the high levels of CO2 could have been caused by the fentanyl. Floyds own gf said that the physical symptoms Floyd showed was the exact same as his overdose in march.
You refuse to acknowledge any of this and I guess you expect everyone else to ignore it and agree with your bullshite.
You disappear during the day but as soon as the trial is over for the day you then come on here until past midnight with the same talking points. I can only assume you're to emotional during the day watching your dreams of a murder conviction go up in smoke.
You refuse to acknowledge any of this and I guess you expect everyone else to ignore it and agree with your bullshite.
You disappear during the day but as soon as the trial is over for the day you then come on here until past midnight with the same talking points. I can only assume you're to emotional during the day watching your dreams of a murder conviction go up in smoke.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 7:37 am
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:35 am to AMS
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any amount of excess restriction of chest wall excursion in a person with respiratory distress may be life threatening. its like if grandma was having trouble breathing so you decide to help her by holding a pillow over her head.
AMS you have not once addressed the GF panic attack in the back seat of the police SUV.
Bizarre behavior, Bizarre words he used...Bizarre arguments or pleas...
Store clerk said Floyd was high when he exchanged the fake 20...about an hour before the knee
GF had a recent pattern of OD...twice in one month he almost died.
Many Blacks want it be murder because they think that's what they saw...from one perspective.
In court, we show all evidence...all perspectives...we don't hope anything prior...
Floyd had many demons...no need to ruin another man's life over them
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:46 am to Big Scrub TX
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So we kneel on a guy who can't breathe? I just don't see how this supports Chauvin's defense.
Hey scrub, If I kneel on you so you cant breathe, you wont be able to cry out for momma either. You see, it takes oxygen and air moving across your vocal cords to make noises. If the air isnt moving, you cant make noise.
What does this mean?
Even if he was kneeling on his neck, and Im not saying he was. If George Floyd was able to talk and call out for momma, he was able to breathe.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:12 am to Mindenfan
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:17 am to ChineseBandit58
Why didn't Floyd just tell the cops he'd just swallowed a crapload of fentanyl?
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:34 am to BiteMe2020
And:
The law matters. You would need to PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that DC 1) took an unreasonable risk, AND 2) consciously knew he was risking the life of Floyd.
Reasonable doubt is quite a bit more proof than a "preponderance of the evidence". Here, the prosecution simply cannot prove this. It's easy for armchair quarterbacks to hindsight a guilty verdict, but that's not the legal standard.
DC's actions could ONLY be an unreasonable risk had DC KNOWN that Floyd had a heart condition and that he had just ingested enough fentanyl to create a risk of death himself. There's NO evidence DC knew of either.
The burden of proof has simply not been met for this charge.
So this is like firing a gun into a crowd - you're not aiming at anyone specific, you just shoot into a crowd, knowing you could kill someone.
This charge was initially tossed, but was reinstated by the court. The kicker here is that DC would have had to have known that his actions would have been eminently dangerous to others.
Most people would easily survive nine minutes of a knee on their neck/back/shoulder. The fact that this restraint is indeed in the police training material also proves that this was taught as not being "eminently dangerous". If the training was incorrect, then it's incorrect, but that's the training DC received.
The prosecution has not proven third degree murder, either.
So here, Floyd's death isn't as relevant. You have to prove that DC was committing a separate felony, and during the commission of THAT felony, he caused the death of Floyd.
Any death like this is tragic, but Floyd did it to himself, had a history of this type of behavior, and bore the responsibility of his own death. DC wasn't accused of committing a separate felony (like robbing a bank) while he was arresting Floyd. So this seems like an inapplicable charge for which the defense has not made it's case BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
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Second Degree Manslaughter:
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:
(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another;
The law matters. You would need to PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that DC 1) took an unreasonable risk, AND 2) consciously knew he was risking the life of Floyd.
Reasonable doubt is quite a bit more proof than a "preponderance of the evidence". Here, the prosecution simply cannot prove this. It's easy for armchair quarterbacks to hindsight a guilty verdict, but that's not the legal standard.
DC's actions could ONLY be an unreasonable risk had DC KNOWN that Floyd had a heart condition and that he had just ingested enough fentanyl to create a risk of death himself. There's NO evidence DC knew of either.
The burden of proof has simply not been met for this charge.
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Third Degree Murder
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
So this is like firing a gun into a crowd - you're not aiming at anyone specific, you just shoot into a crowd, knowing you could kill someone.
This charge was initially tossed, but was reinstated by the court. The kicker here is that DC would have had to have known that his actions would have been eminently dangerous to others.
Most people would easily survive nine minutes of a knee on their neck/back/shoulder. The fact that this restraint is indeed in the police training material also proves that this was taught as not being "eminently dangerous". If the training was incorrect, then it's incorrect, but that's the training DC received.
The prosecution has not proven third degree murder, either.
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Second Degree Unintentional Murder
(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or
So here, Floyd's death isn't as relevant. You have to prove that DC was committing a separate felony, and during the commission of THAT felony, he caused the death of Floyd.
Any death like this is tragic, but Floyd did it to himself, had a history of this type of behavior, and bore the responsibility of his own death. DC wasn't accused of committing a separate felony (like robbing a bank) while he was arresting Floyd. So this seems like an inapplicable charge for which the defense has not made it's case BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:38 am to BiteMe2020
You’re glossing over other training Chauvin had received regarded restraint asphyxia.
He may be found not guilty. But it’s not some simplistic answer like you’re presenting it.
He may be found not guilty. But it’s not some simplistic answer like you’re presenting it.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:45 am to the808bass
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You’re glossing over other training Chauvin had received regarded restraint asphyxia.
He may be found not guilty. But it’s not some simplistic answer like you’re presenting it.
Reasonable doubt. At least one coroner said that he didn't die from asphyxia. Again, the legal standard IS NOT "is it possible, maybe, that DC choked Floyd to death?"
It's beyond a reasonable doubt. This concept seems really hard for most Floyd apologists to comprehend.
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Baker's preliminary report had sparked anger after it found "no physical findings" to "support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation". The report had also suggested Floyd's had underlying conditions which contributed to his death.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 8:53 am
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:17 am to BiteMe2020
And you just glossed over it again.
And “no physical findings” for asphyxiation isn’t unheard of in asphyxiation cases. Let that sink into your tiny brain.
And “no physical findings” for asphyxiation isn’t unheard of in asphyxiation cases. Let that sink into your tiny brain.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:19 am to the808bass
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And you just glossed over it again.
And “no physical findings” for asphyxiation isn’t unheard of in asphyxiation cases. Let that sink into your tiny brain.
Reasonable doubt. Let that sink in.
If there is often no evidence of asphyxiation, how would you go about proving that was the cause in court, counselor?
Especially when Floyd didn't die right there on the ground. He went into cardiac arrest in the ambulance on the way to the hospital.
Your move.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:24 am to roadGator
Hit the roadgator.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:26 am to 2020_reVISION
For a jog?
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:28 am to LSUbest
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Hands Up, Don't Shoot - lie
This is MAGA country! - lie
Nazis are very fine people - lie
Taunting an elderly Vietnam vet - lie
Trump colluded with Russia to steal 2016 election - lie
Biden won the election - lie
Trump attempted to coerce the Georgia SOS to get fraudulent votes - lie
We could do many more.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:33 am to AMS
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respiratory distress
Fentanyl overdose causing that respiratory distress?
Cuz, your post indicates he had respiratory distress from the beginning, which he did. You can hear him saying it in the video well before any knee was near his neck.
Dude was a dead man from the start. Paint your picture though.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:33 am to Turbeauxdog
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It shows he was lying about not being able to breath
No. Civil human beings who understand how humans overstate facts do not take words literally during emotionally charged events.
“I can’t breath” is not something that really needs to be refuted. It’s irrelevant. What is more relevant is the purpose of the statement. People with even a baseline of intelligence understand that it was a signal of having difficulty breathing.
Do you debate your friends on literal meaning when they say, “You’re killing me”? No, of course not. You would signal being a social retard. Most rational people, and definitely most cops, understand what people mean when they say things that are not literally true.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:34 am to BiteMe2020
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If there is often no evidence of asphyxiation, how would you go about proving that was the cause in court, counselor?
By the autopsies.
Through witnesses, both eyewitness and expert.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:35 am to Turbeauxdog
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It shows he was lying about not being able to breath
This is a weird post. A guy saying “I can’t breathe” is evidence that he is lying about not being able to breathe?
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