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re: Knee to the neck just debunked in court
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:08 pm to udtiger
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:08 pm to udtiger
quote:
Amazing what fentanyl will do.
Yeah - Floyd was a dead man walking from the time he swallowed all the drugs he had trying to "hide them" (something I read that he had done before in a prior arrest)
but I had never seen the body cam showing the knee on the shoulder before - so the knee was not on the neck for the full "9 minutes and 42 seconds" as has been drilled into the public consciousness for a year.
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Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:11 pm to BobBoucher
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him not being able to breathe before being subdued is all the proof that should be needed
precisely - he was claiming 'cant breathe' early on in the interaction - prior to cuffs.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:13 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:
Yeah - Floyd was a dead man walking from the time he swallowed all the drugs he had trying to "hide them" (something I read that he had done before in a prior arrest)
but I had never seen the body cam showing the knee on the shoulder before - so the knee was not on the neck for the full "9 minutes and 42 seconds" as has been drilled into the public consciousness for a year.
The liberal media has amazing video editing skills when they want to push a narrative.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:14 pm to BiteMe2020
quote:So we kneel on a guy who can't breathe? I just don't see how this supports Chauvin's defense.
Funny that the media never showed the part of the video where Floyd was complaining that he couldn't breathe before he was on the ground. Wonder why they edited that out of literally EVERY single video over the past 11 months.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:16 pm to novabill
quote:did you watch the body cams? They tried for like 10 minutes to get him in the car. They got him in and he fought his way out
He should have been in the car.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:16 pm to BiteMe2020
quote:You are the one appealing to the "he said he didn't breathe". Usually, you would be saying "they're just lying for the cameras". Now, you seem to be arguing he was absolutely telling the truth - but yet somehow Chauvin was right to kneel on him well past the point of motionlessness.
The idiocy in your post is making the assumption that Officer Chauvin KNEW that Floyd had just ingested a fatal dose of fentanyl.
So, you win the Monday Morning Quarterback Dumb Frick Post of the Day award.
Also, there was a crowd shouting in real time on camera about what was going on - it wasn't subtle. He literally knelt on a motionless suspect for minutes.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:17 pm to ThinePreparedAni
quote:That is not the same thing as saying kneeling on a neck can't also do you in.
Chest wall/torso/abdomen likely did him in...
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:19 pm to BiteMe2020
That is what I'd call a very one-sided answer, as you'd expect from a question by a lawyer because that's how it's asked.
The median level of a fatal dose of Fentanyl is 10ng/ml, when used in combination with another drug or alcohol, but in it of itself is not a lethal dose and individuals can tolerate quite a bit more. This is probably why it's wasn't found as the cause of death.
Additionally, most serum levels of postmortem sampling is very hit or miss because of the way the body metabolism interacts with this specific drug.
LINK
I specialize in pharmakinetics and how the body interacts with therapeutics. I believe the drug played a role in his death, but he was not overdosing. An overdose unless absorbed thru a patch or sublingual is going to be very fast. Not some long drawn-out process.
The median level of a fatal dose of Fentanyl is 10ng/ml, when used in combination with another drug or alcohol, but in it of itself is not a lethal dose and individuals can tolerate quite a bit more. This is probably why it's wasn't found as the cause of death.
Additionally, most serum levels of postmortem sampling is very hit or miss because of the way the body metabolism interacts with this specific drug.
LINK
I specialize in pharmakinetics and how the body interacts with therapeutics. I believe the drug played a role in his death, but he was not overdosing. An overdose unless absorbed thru a patch or sublingual is going to be very fast. Not some long drawn-out process.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:22 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:
Just saw the defense examination of the 'knee to the neck" and it shows the knee was on the shoulder.
(re-direct now trying to show the knee was on the neck earlier)
Floyd did seem totally unconscious at the end of the video
Did not see the link in the thread, but here's the cross by his defense which I think was referenced.
Chauvin is guilty of terrible optics. But Floyd did not asphyxiate from knee pressure.
Andy Ngo twatter
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:23 pm to BiteMe2020
quote:What video are you claiming was edited???
The liberal media has amazing video editing skills when they want to push a narrative.
Defend with facts, not made up bs. BTW, nearly the entire leadership in the MPD thinks he is guilty. No one told him to do what he did and EVERY BIT OF TRAINING told him to stop when the arrested stops resisting, nevermind when he stops breathing or the heart stops.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:25 pm to SEC. 593
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An overdose unless absorbed thru a patch or sublingual is going to be very fast.
Would holding tablets containing fentanyl under the tongue act as a sublingual dose?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:26 pm to PhDoogan
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But Floyd did not asphyxiate from knee pressure.
He asphyxiated before it went on his back? What’s your argument?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:28 pm to the808bass
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He asphyxiated before it went on his back? What’s your argument?
How can you tell if it was the combination of fentanyl and meth or the knee that caused asphyxiation?
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:29 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
He didn't kill, nor cause the death of Floyd.
quote:If you were on trial for pretty much anything, much less, murder, and were wholly innocent of the charge, would you be okay with being convicted because jurors said to themselves, "he might have"?
He might have.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:34 pm to theenemy
Yes, but if not designed to do so it will take quite a bit of time. The Active Pharmaceutical Ingredient of a tablet meant to be swallowed are typically larger, or not absorbed as readily.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:35 pm to the808bass
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He asphyxiated before it went on his back? What’s your argument?
Causation. Pressure from Chauvin's knee was not the medical cause.*
ETA: *Preface: should not be proven beyond reasonable doubt as medical cause of death.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:36 pm to ChineseBandit58
This is going to play out like A Few Good Men and Chauvin charges will only be reckless endangerment and the whole liberal fanbase is going to go apeshit. No pun intended.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:39 pm to SEC. 593
quote:
Yes, but if not designed to do so it will take quite a bit of time. The Active Pharmaceutical Ingredient of a tablet meant to be swallowed are typically larger, or not absorbed as readily.
How about methamphetamine and fentanyl pressed into a tablet by the dealer?
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:42 pm to theenemy
No clue, but the numbers from the Tox report seem to suggest they did not.
ETA: the 19ng/ml of Methamphetamines found in the Tox report is an extremely low number.
ETA: the 19ng/ml of Methamphetamines found in the Tox report is an extremely low number.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 9:45 pm
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