Started By
Message
locked post

Kenosha Shooting Timeline (not including the Brooks shooting)

Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:50 am
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
59180 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:50 am
LINK

I made this timeline over on the OT in part so I could understand the sequence of events and also so others could as well. I've seen posts here where people seem to not be aware of the timeline and/or are asking for videos, my post (linked above) contains everything currently known and put into chronological order (with videos).

The only big question I have left is: what happened between the video where Rosenbaum is daring people to shoot him and the video where he is chasing Rittenhouse?

Before anyone throws a fit about "OMG THERE ARE ALREADY THREADZES111", those threads are all bits and pieces. This is the first thread (at least that I know of) to put everything in one place.
This post was edited on 8/27/20 at 12:01 pm
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:52 am to
Don't need a timeline. Saw him attacked.

Self defense.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
59180 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:55 am to
quote:

Don't need a timeline. Saw him attacked.

Self defense.


Context is always important. In this case it truly underscores the self-defense aspect.
Posted by Uncle Stu
#AlbinoLivesMatter
Member since Aug 2004
33864 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 11:57 am to
quote:

what happened between the video where Rosenbaum is daring people to shoot him and the video where he is chasing Rittenhouse?


I read a couple reports that Rittenhouse
-got separated from his group
-was "behind" the auto shop
-attacked/threatened by someone with a 2x4

Then we see the first footage of him being chased

110% pure and utter speculation based on absolutely nothing - my best guess:

He had to take a leak, and went behind the building to piss. JoJo McChildrapist jumped him with a piece of lumber. Rittenhouse tries to get back to his group, is chased up to the point to where we catch it on camera

I think the key here is that he somehow got separated from his group. It all went downhill from there
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
59180 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:00 pm to
quote:

He had to take a leak, and went behind the building to piss. JoJo McChildrapist jumped him with a piece of lumber. Rittenhouse tries to get back to his group, is chased up to the point to where we catch it on camera


Honestly, that wouldn't surprise me. Rosenbaum had "little man syndrome" rolling off of him in buckets, he was spoiling for a fight and I bet he thought Rittenhouse looked like easy pickings.
Posted by jatilen
Member since May 2020
13608 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:08 pm to
quote:

The only big question I have left is: what happened between the video where Rosenbaum is daring people to shoot him and the video where he is chasing Rittenhouse?


I don't know. But I did notice that when he dares people to shoot him, he still has his shirt on. But when he's chasing Rittenhouse, he has taken off his shirt and wrapped it around his head.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:09 pm to
Nice work, Bard. It IS useful to have everything in one place.

A couple of points.

After closer examination, I do NOT think that the "Shoot me N!gg@" confrontation took place at the same location as the eventual shooting location. Both have boarded-up windows, but the writing on the building seems to be different. It looks to me like (from the vantage of standing in front and facing the shooting location), the "Shoot me N!gg@" location is up the same street, to the right. It looks like the defenders/militia guys saw something happening at the shooting location (pre-shooting, obviously) and moved in that direction down the street. I think you see a couple of the other defender/militia guys in the video of the first shooting, so it makes sense that they probably moved down the street together or at about the same time anyway.

You could add at the front the images from earlier in the day ... of the Rittenhouse kid cleaning graffiti from the walls of the school. Certainly provides more context.

You can see Rittenhouse in some of the video at the "Shoot me N!gg@" location. At one point he reaches forward and pulls a buddy out of JoJo's face. You can also see Skateboard guy in the "Shoot me N!gg@" videos a couple of times. I looked for kung-fu kick guy and Amputated Arm guy at the "Shoot me N!gg@" location, but did not see them.

When Rittenhouse left the scene of shooting JoJo, he retreated back in the same general direction from which he had entered that premises (to camera right). It seems likely that the second set of shootings took place nearer to the "Shoot me N!gg@" location that to the scene of the first shooting.
This post was edited on 8/27/20 at 12:13 pm
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
37906 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:42 pm to
Anyone heard if bicep boi has been arrested yet? I'll admit that it was pretty impressive that he was still holding the pistol with two thirds of his upper arm blown off.

What hasn't been discussed is felony assault, and how murder charges can be stuck on someone for any death that occurs during the commission of a felony. Brandishing a firearm while advancing on Rittenhouse on the ground, is likely felony assault with a deadly weapon, therefore bicep boi can be held responsible for skaterfig being killed.

I don't know if bicep boi was right there in the fray when Shorty McChildrape was domed, but of he was that could be another charge too.

Rittenhouse is going to walk, and some of these agitator commies are going to get hammered.
Posted by AUin02
Member since Jan 2012
4574 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:53 pm to
So the NYT endeavored to make a timeline of the events as well, and while there is some obvious bias in the article, they also found something that I haven't seen mentioned.

Here's a snippet of the article plus the image.



Here's a larger look at the image.



Based on the NYT timeline, that mystery handgun fired before Kyle turned or fired. So self defense comes strongly into play. Kyle is already running from pursuers when he hears shots, possibly aimed at him, possibly not, he turns and sees a guy rushing him.

He fires, killing Rosenbaum. It's worth pointing out too that the handgun fire was possibly directed at him (not in the air like NYT suggests) and if so, it's entirely possible the handgun shooter hit Rosenbaum, not Kyle.

That's something ballistics will hopefully tell us. I know some people in threads here have suggested Rosenbaum's injury wasn't consistent with the caliber Kyle was shooting but I don't know enough to prove or disprove that.

In an even crazier possibility, given the proximity of all the events as they unfolded, it's entirely possible that the shooter in this frame is Mr Medic, who shortly after gets his arm shot when he threatens Kyle on the ground. Again, that's something ballistics will tell us far better than any dark video or stills.

This post was edited on 8/27/20 at 12:55 pm
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

What hasn't been discussed is felony assault
I think you are referencing the "felony murder rule." Might be interesting.

The way it USUALLY works is two guys agree to commit a felony (e.g. burglary). One gets killed by the cops and the other gets charged with murder for the first one's death.

They will claim that they were not acting in concert to commit a common felony. Amputated arm guy will likely argue that he was not involved in the assault on young Kyle by Skateboard guy and Kung-fu kick guy and that the march itself was not a felony.

As I said, interesting.
Posted by jrodLSUke
Premium
Member since Jan 2011
26228 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 12:59 pm to
Rosenbaum was mostly peaceful that entire night.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
10718 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:02 pm to
So Rittenhouse didn't fire first ... hmmm .... there's something you don't hear in the media ....

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138689 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:46 pm to
FYI

quote:

This crowd eventually made it to the gas station Rittenhouse and others were guarding (possibly the place at the very end of the last video). Rosenbaum was part of the protestors and seemed intent on causing trouble.

Rosenbaum is the short, bald, white guy running his mouth.

At some point he decides to go after Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse attempts to flee. Rosenbaum pursues right up until the point where Rittenhouse no longer feels flight is an option.
The encounter at the service station was 3 blocks away and earlier in the night. Rosenbaum was clearly agitating. I don't believe Rittenhouse is in that clip.

Later, and a few blocks away, Rittenhouse is filmed being chased by Rosenbaum from across the street in the vicinity of the Hospital parking lot into the Autoservice Lot. At that point, Rosenbaum is converted to RosenBoomed.

KR then ran away from the mob for about two blocks down the street to the point he tripped.
Posted by TigeRoots
Member since Oct 2008
8556 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:56 pm to
Thanks for putting this together. I was unaware of all of this keeping up with the storms and it's so nice to have the timeline in one place.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109164 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

he was spoiling for a fight and I bet he thought Rittenhouse looked like easy pickings.



He won’t make that mistake again.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138689 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

After closer examination, I do NOT think that the "Shoot me N!gg@" confrontation took place at the same location as the eventual shooting location.
It didn't

The Service Station was about 3 blocks away. I believe Rittenhouse was heading back there as he fled the Auto Service lot. He'd nearly reached it when he tripped in the road
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:05 pm to
quote:


He won’t make that mistake again.
That is the biggest positive for vigilante justice: no repeat offenders.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138689 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 2:59 pm to
To add perspective.

Here is the Service Station where Rosenbaum confronted militia types earlier in the night ...
"Shoot me n***ga!"



This is the Auto Service location where Rosenbaum chased KR and got domed.



This is where Skateboarder and Biceps Boi got hit.




Here are their relative locations
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
37906 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

Amputated arm guy will likely argue that he was not involved in the assault on young Kyle by Skateboard guy and Kung-fu kick guy
You're correct that he will likely make that argument.

Where it will certainly get muddy, is the fact that he is on film pulling a pistol from his right rear waistband, and advancing on a down Rittenhouse with said weapon in his right hand. In the video his body direction keeps Rittenhouse primarily to his left, with gun in right hand. When his right hand, that held the pistol, came forward, that's when Ritty amputated him. The only way that shot didn't go through his chest before his arm is because he turned his right side toward the shooter in an obvious aggressive move.

Maybe bicep guy doesn't get charged but who knows. The first shooting, guy who got domed, that's gonna be up to a jury to decide after listening to eyewitnesses including credible reporters who witnessed it.

As far as skater and bicep guy, those likely will be viewed by any jury with functional brains as justified self defense shootings.
This post was edited on 8/27/20 at 3:01 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138689 posts
Posted on 8/27/20 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

As far as skater and bicep guy
Appears the Skateboarder nut actually pulled at the barrel of the gun as he got shot. That may have been the cause of discharge.
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 2Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on X, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookXInstagram