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re: Justice Department Considering Pushing to Ban Transgendered People from Owning Firearms
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:50 pm to JKeller34
Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:50 pm to JKeller34
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That’s false. This is about transgenders who have shown the last few years an increase in mental illness and a huge spike in violence.
Should all black people be banned from owning guns simply because that race commits the majority of gun violence in America? Once they are banned the next ethnicity/race commits the most, etc... on down the line. I think people who believe they are trans have a mental illness but that doesn't mean all of them are violent no more than it means all white males are racist or all black people are violent thugs.
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Posted on 9/4/25 at 3:51 pm to MFn GIMP
I’m sure you and others would love to play “what ifs” all day.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 4:12 pm to JKeller34
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I’m sure you and others would love to play “what ifs” all day.
My man, I have never owned a gun in my life and have no intention of owning one because I am not 100% positive I could kill someone if I ever had to pull the trigger. That doesn't mean the 2nd amendment doesn't say what it does.
Look, I am not a 100% Trump supporter. I like 90% of what he's done but I did not vote for him in 2016 (I didn't vote in 2016 but for Trump in 2020) and while I was a strong meatball bro in the 2024 primary I voted for Trump in 2024. However, as others have said unless this is trolling to get the left to support the 2nd amendment it's an extreme slippery slope. Let's say AOC wins President in 2020 can she just unilaterally label all Republican registered voters as mentally ill and ban their 2nd amendment rights? Hell, if Biden tried this in 2022 and banned gun ownership based on attending an evangelical church would you have been ok with it? Absolutely not.
Just because Trump does, or says, something doesn't make it a good thing. .
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 9/4/25 at 4:50 pm to HeadCall
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Who makes the determination on mental illness?
The suicidal ideation among that population is as high as 80%.
What other criteria do you need?
Posted on 9/4/25 at 4:53 pm to MFn GIMP
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I think people who believe they are trans have a mental illness but that doesn't mean all of them are violent
The rate of suicidal ideation among that population is greater than it is for schizophrenics.
Do you think diagnosed schizophrenics should be able to buy guns?
If not, then why do you think people diagnosed with gender dysphoria should be able to?
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 9/4/25 at 4:55 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Sorry that you will need your guns taken away from you Displacedcuckeye and LiberalHank
Posted on 9/4/25 at 4:58 pm to wackatimesthree
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The rate of suicidal ideation among that population is greater than it is for schizophrenics.
Do you think diagnosed schizophrenics should be able to buy guns?
If not, then why do you think people diagnosed with gender dysphoria should be able to?
80% of people with chronic depression have suicidal thoughts as do 95% of people with major depression. Should they lose their rights to own a firearm as well? I'm sure you could find more than a few mass shooters that were diagnosed with depression.
With the red flag laws Trump wanted to take the guns first then go through the process and now this. He is not a second amendment friendly president. This would be a bad precedent to set.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 4:59 pm to ThuperThumpin
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A lot of you in this thread, and many folks in general still think having mental illness means you are out there on the streets swinging a machete around or claiming to be Jesus
No, you're the one who the stigma...hence that comment. An unstable person, temporary or not is NOT hard to define. Nor do the get raided and guns taken away..but it temporarily hinders the ability to purchase more. It's easy to define which conditions are considered dangerous enough to put them on the list.
Lots of people abuse the system using a mental condition to gain disability benefits, etc. Works both ways in a lot of ways.
It's fricking retarded to let someone with a known mental ILLNESS, not condition (as u try and describe), have complete unfettered access to guns, like a normal person.
Let there be a certain form that a relative can buy for them. But they fully accept liability for their actions, including crimes committed. That'll show you how trustworthy their condition is, lol
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:02 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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What’s the definition of psychopath?
The term I gave you fromDSM-5 is accepted by the actual medical community. You can also go to Webster if that helps you.
Tell us again how smart you are while lying about what happened here. That everyone saw.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:02 pm to wackatimesthree
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The suicidal ideation among that population is as high as 80%. What other criteria do you need?
I need to know who makes the determination of whether or not someone can own gun. Why stop at transgenderism? What about PTSD? OCD? Regular depression?
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:04 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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How is this relevant?
Did you not read the thread. You straight out lied. So I called you on it.
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This is some weird misapplication of the transitive property. I thought you were in the legal field?
Generally accepted meaning is a legal concept. You dumb idiot.
Now. Why did you lie?
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:08 pm to JKeller34
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There are states that prevent residents from purchasing and possessing weapons without even having a mental illness lol.
A particular class or group is singled out? Besides convicts? Or is every state citizen prevented by the same laws? You probably d9nt think that matters
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:09 pm to Diseasefreeforall
Most socialist President since FDR.
Take away guns from law abiding citizens ( Trans status is irrelevant)
Putting the NG on the streets to conduct "Law Enforcemen" essentially running over States Rights.
Taking ownership "intersts" in Private companies like Intel, shakedown of Nvidia for 15% of profits in China, forcing a payout from Nippon/US Steel.
Take away guns from law abiding citizens ( Trans status is irrelevant)
Putting the NG on the streets to conduct "Law Enforcemen" essentially running over States Rights.
Taking ownership "intersts" in Private companies like Intel, shakedown of Nvidia for 15% of profits in China, forcing a payout from Nippon/US Steel.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:10 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Nah. I addressed why it wasn’t much better than using the entire DSM. And you said you weren’t arguing band, just definitions. You’re the one that tried to interchange gender dysphoria and “psychopath” and now ASPD. None of those things are interchangeable. You’ve been extraordinary careful not to make any arguments about why the policy at had is a good/bad one.
And instead of admitting that and apologizing you now what to say it’s semantics.
quote:Nothing. I’ve always been against arbitrary “red flag” laws.
what happened to you
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:10 pm to Diseasefreeforall
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80% of people with chronic depression have suicidal thoughts as do 95% of people with major depression. Should they lose their rights to own a firearm as well?
Yes.
quote:
I'm sure you could find more than a few mass shooters that were diagnosed with depression.
You're so close to figuring this out.
quote:
He is not a second amendment friendly president.
Nope. He's not a conservative. He's a populist.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:14 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:Now do veterans.
The suicidal ideation among that population is as high as 80%.
What other criteria do you need?
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:15 pm to HeadCall
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Why stop at transgenderism?
Who said we should?
quote:
What about PTSD? OCD? Regular depression?
If the research shows that those populations are likely to be a danger to themselves or others, as with people who have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria, why do you think it's responsible to sell them a gun?
Let's try this a different way. You tell ME whether there is any population on planet earth that you would deny the sale of a gun to, and if so, why.
So we're talking about children, retarded people, schizophrenics, convicts, we're talking about everybody.
I'll bet two things:
1. There will be at least one population that you would deny access to.
2. You will do so using the same rationale I am using to deny them to people with this particular mental disorder.
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:15 pm to Taxing Authority
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Now do veterans.
Same question as above.
And btw, "veterans" is not a mental health diagnosis. PTSD with hallucinations and violent tendencies is.
Why is it you think it's a good idea to sell a gun to some one diagnosed with PTSD with hallucinations and violent tendencies?
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:17 pm to KiwiHead
quote:
Most socialist President since FDR.
Trump is showing signs of being a real progressive in how he wants to use govt to alter society.
This post was edited on 9/4/25 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 9/4/25 at 5:21 pm to rebelrouser
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This is a horrible idea but surely you don't believe that people with mental illness should be allowed to purchase a firearm. What about convicted murderers?
Where does it say anything about that in the Bill of Rights?
BTW gun control doesn't work anyway so kind of dumb.
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