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re: Just watched that video of the man being shot in GA
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:08 am to Elleshoe
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:08 am to Elleshoe
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A crime against your property doesn’t give you carte blanche to take the life of another person
I never said it did? Quit using straw men to facilitate your fake and gay narrative.
Felonious property crime in the state of Georgia would however give you carte blanche to pull a citizens arrest on someone though.
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:10 am to Manzielathon
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A crime against your property doesn’t give you carte blanche to take the life of another person
I never said it did? Quit using straw men to facilitate your fake and gay narrative.
Felonious property crime in the state of Georgia would however give you carte blanche to pull a citizens arrest on someone though.
You said property is an extension of a person. That was an ignorant statement. You’re a stupid fricking bitch and likely a racist. Now get the frick back on the SEC board
ETA: and no.. these two did not even perfect a lawful citizen’s arrest. The crime must be committed in the presence of the one making the arrest or have immediate knowledge. Not “he matched the description of an offender..”
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 4:15 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:15 am to Elleshoe
Well the state where I come from isn’t a third world shithole pretending to be America, and is a place where I am legally justified in using deadly force to protect my property, and not just limited to houses or cars. So maybe that slants my view.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:20 am to Elleshoe
quote:The only "crime" mentioned in the 911 recording is "a black man is running down the street". Seriously, no crime is mentioned.
The crime must be committed in the presence of the one making the arrest or have immediate knowledge. Not “he matched the description of an offender..”
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:21 am to Manzielathon
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Well the state where I come from isn’t a third world shithole pretending to be America, and is a place where I am legally justified in using deadly force to protect my property, and not just limited to houses or cars. So maybe that slants my view.
They were on a public road and not protecting their property you moron
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:21 am to Manzielathon
I think their citizens arrest defense falls apart from the jump. Georgia's citizens arrest law requires that the citizen have directly observed a felony grade crime or had personal knowledge of such having happened immediately prior thereto. I don't believe the two guys are gonna be able to clear that hurdle, but who knows there may well be more to that part of it than we are aware.
That would then put them on weaker footing for the self defense claim. They'd be considered as having instigated the physical altercation, and being as how the burden is on he who asserts self defense (to prove self defense), the shooter will have to show clear evidence of being in imminent fear of death or great bodily injury, and further would probably have to show that he was in the situation due to no fault of his own and had no opportunity to avoid the situation.
**Ultimately not premeditated, but fairly hefty likelihood of some lesser degree of homicide.
That would then put them on weaker footing for the self defense claim. They'd be considered as having instigated the physical altercation, and being as how the burden is on he who asserts self defense (to prove self defense), the shooter will have to show clear evidence of being in imminent fear of death or great bodily injury, and further would probably have to show that he was in the situation due to no fault of his own and had no opportunity to avoid the situation.
**Ultimately not premeditated, but fairly hefty likelihood of some lesser degree of homicide.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 4:23 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:25 am to Powerman
I’m not saying Texas law applies to this case, moron. Jesus Christ you people are pathetic.
I’m saying that anyone bitching and moaning about Georgia state law regarding citizens arrests because “but he dindu nuffin to nobody” is fricking dumb.
The citizens arrest statute isn’t explicitly about violence against a person and in many cases across this country crimes against personal property are given a similar weight to crimes against a person.
I’m saying that anyone bitching and moaning about Georgia state law regarding citizens arrests because “but he dindu nuffin to nobody” is fricking dumb.
The citizens arrest statute isn’t explicitly about violence against a person and in many cases across this country crimes against personal property are given a similar weight to crimes against a person.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:26 am to davyjones
I agree with you. They’re going to have a hard time clearing that “felony” hurdle without substantial hard evidence.
I believe them though.
I believe them though.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 4:27 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:27 am to Manzielathon
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I’m not saying Texas law applies to this case, moron. Jesus Christ you people are pathetic.
I know that. Even if it did, it wouldn't apply here.
This would be a murder in Texas also
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:27 am to Manzielathon
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Jesus Christ you people are pathetic.
No man.. you’re pathetic because you’re an uneducated/under educated buffoon. Your arguments are that of a 7th grader and lack any logic or reasoning
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:29 am to Manzielathon
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I believe them though.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:30 am to Elleshoe
I have a Masters degree lmao.
You’re going out of your way to defend a convicted criminal, who is clearly engaged in suspicious activity, and who is clearly making all the wrong decisions as this event escalates.
He could have continued to run, or just stopped, waited, and dealt with the police.He instead chose to fight a battle he had zero chance of winning.
You’re going out of your way to defend a convicted criminal, who is clearly engaged in suspicious activity, and who is clearly making all the wrong decisions as this event escalates.
He could have continued to run, or just stopped, waited, and dealt with the police.He instead chose to fight a battle he had zero chance of winning.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 4:32 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:31 am to Manzielathon
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I have a Masters degree lmao.
Then you’re just a stupid person. A degree can’t fix that.
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You’re going out of your way to defend a convicted criminal, who is clearly engaged in suspicious activity, and who is clearly making all the wrong decisions as this event escalates.
No, I’m looking at the video. Everything else in the guy’s background is pretty irrelevant
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He could have continued to run, or just stopped, waited, and dealt with the police.He instead chose to fight a battle he had zero chance of winning.
This is what I mean.. this type of statement shows you lack basic reasoning skills. You’re stupid. Congrats on having a masters though.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 4:33 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:32 am to Elleshoe
So you don’t think his background, his attire, his location, lend ANY legitimacy to the to notion he was committing crimes before this took place?
Do you actually think this guy was jogging? That’s what I care about. Dispelling that notion.
These two rednecks shouldn’t have done what they did, they clearly escalated the situation for no good reason, but it’s not entirely clear whether what they did is actually illegal under Georgia state law. That will be determined in the near future.
Do you actually think this guy was jogging? That’s what I care about. Dispelling that notion.
These two rednecks shouldn’t have done what they did, they clearly escalated the situation for no good reason, but it’s not entirely clear whether what they did is actually illegal under Georgia state law. That will be determined in the near future.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 4:34 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:33 am to Manzielathon
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You’re going out of your way to defend a convicted criminal, who is clearly engaged in suspicious activity, and who is clearly making all the wrong decisions as this event escalates.
And you're going out of your way to defend vigilante rednecks who ambushed and murdered someone for no good reason.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:34 am to Manzielathon
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So you don’t think his background, his attire, his location, lend ANY legitimacy to the to notion he was committing crimes before this took place?
It’s irrelevant. They did not meet the necessary elements to perfect a citizen’s arrest.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:35 am to Elleshoe
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They did not meet the necessary elements to perfect a citizen’s arrest.
You literally don’t have enough information to know that definitively.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:35 am to Manzielathon
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So you don’t think his background, his attire, his location, lend ANY legitimacy to the to notion he was committing crimes before this took place?
The threshold is a felony
What felonious crime do you suspect he committed and what evidence do you think that they had?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:36 am to Manzielathon
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You literally don’t have enough information to know that definitively.
Yes I do. In Georgia, for a citizen’s arrest, you must have IMMEDIATE knowledge of the crime or the crime being committed in your presence. Their statement is that he matched the description of a thief from sometime before this incident.
Article of Georgia’s citizen arrest standards
Hell, I even give them more leeway (immediate knowledge standard that I’ve also read about) and they don’t meet that either.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 4:39 am
Posted on 5/8/20 at 4:37 am to Elleshoe
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Yes I do. In Georgia, for a citizen’s arrest, you must have IMMEDIATE knowledge of the crime or the crime being committed in your presence. Their statement is that he matched the description of a thief from sometime before this incident.
Cased closed
Manzielathon is a retard
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