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re: Just overheard a guy say "slavery wasn't racist"
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:47 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:47 am to Pettifogger
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You're strangely conflating everything I've said with these people Nothing I've said has anything to do with the "let's have dialogue" people
That's why I said it isn't your fault. You didn't start it.
But, ya know. If you walk up to a woman who has been hit by the last 100 men she's seen........and you pick up your hand to wipe the dirt from her brow..........she's probably gonna duck.
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:47 am to beerJeep
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Is this the part where we act like subculture of a main culture is still part of the main culture?
No. Because no one is acting like that
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:48 am to Salmon
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Most of them are and that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Exactly.
Liberals have taken a word that USED to be definitively bad...........and honestly, made it not that bad a thing.
Cause disliking cultures and thinking they're bad is kinda normal. In fact, it's often CORRECT!
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:49 am to ShortyRob
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I would hope you could figure out why using upvotes to measure is ill advised.
People upvote things they strongly agree with and downvote things they don’t. It’s seen time and time again on this site and it’s simple as that.
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The thread has actually had interesting discussion with not even all the conservatives in agreement.
That “interesting” discussion is stil revolving around the same topic.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 11:55 am
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:50 am to ShortyRob
I assure, Shorty, liberals would fricking get outraged at my statements in this thread.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:51 am to Salmon
I'm done for the day. You guys have fun.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:52 am to Ace Midnight
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This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:54 am to Salmon
quote:outrage my arse. They find this approach fantastically useful. It allows them to use a word that has a generally accepted inflammatory meaning and apply it to basically anything they want to and clean it's accurate
I assure, Shorty, liberals would fricking get outraged at my statements in this thread
Expanding the definition of racism has been a wet dream for liberals
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:58 am to Pettifogger
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Slavery involved the ownership of other human beings of a different race.
Native Americans enslaved other native Americans.
Now, sanctioned slavery in the States by citizens was racist.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:58 am to Grim
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"slavery wasn't racist"
Slavery wasn't racist. Not sure what you're laughing at.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:02 pm to DelU249
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but it was quoted at 50 million
Ludicrous - more inflated than Bama's Championship* count. And, similarly unnecessary when the truth is bad enough.
At the height of the middle passage, when we have reasonably good numbers, the 18th Century saw about 6 million transported - this 50 million number would be almost 10 deaths (overall, again 400 years), for every successful transport during the most successful 100 years.
Now - what is credible is a total number of deaths due to the African slave trade of about 60 million from all sources, going back to about 650 A.D. - that's a high number, but in the ballpark - considering how many were shipped across the Sahara, the Indian Ocean, as well as the Middle Passage through about 1900. That may be how the 60 million creeps into the Middle Passage conversation. I would say the low estimate is 2 million for that, the high would be about 6 million with 4 million being a solid, credible "middle" number - and that counts deaths on the way to the coast and probably some estimates of those killed instead of captured in slaving raids in Africa and not strictly ON the Middle Passage, but part of that whole process.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:03 pm to NoHoTiger
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:14 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Chattel slavery in the US evolved into a caste/racist system, meaning race eventually became the bigger driver than simply an exploitation of resources.
You see remnants of it today - in the whole "light skinned/good hair" being valued relatively higher than more traditionally (implicitly West) African characteristics.
That was one of the cool things about the 70s as black Americans were rediscovering their "Africanism" - I thought it could be a good thing, black pride, self-esteem, and it probably was for a lot of folks, but it kind of evolved, unfortunately, into a retro-tribalism that persists with us today and inhibits a more true integration of black folks into the complete American experience, even 50+ years after the CRA.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:36 pm to ShortyRob
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It's the same silly game played in modern politics.
Step 1. shite on a group unilaterally and solely
Step 2. Group rightfully points out that acting like they're the only demons is BS.
Step 3. Act like target group not just bowing and taking it's verbal beating is proof they're demons who can't accept their demonhood.
Meanwhile. The people from Step 1 NEVER...........REPEAT NEVER bring up anything other than their demonizing on their own. But ya know. They want to "have a conversation"
I have only made it through about 10 pages so I don't know the final conclusion. But I see a few posters engaging, providing points/context and making counterpoints. i.e. Ace, Shorty, even Fox. Then there is the opposite side, which have provided relatively little substance, are not willing to 'verbally' concede any points, and appear to enjoy (for lack of a better term) virtue signaling. Uway, Petti, definitely Machine. These posters seem to rely on absolutes far too often. It is annoying and intellectually lazy. The quoted post really magnified what I was experiencing as I muddled my way through the thread.
There are so many fine lines being drawn that just are not true. The human experience and history is hardly ever amenable to fine line as good dividers between right or wrong, good or bad, etc. Is slavery racist? - No. Throughout history has slavery been mired in racism? Yes. Was a majority of the South and North using racism to assuage their guilt? Yes, even understandable in context of the situation, doesn't mean it was right. Was the North complicit? Absolutely, but the question I have not seen discussed is why the change in mood.
What groups pushed to end to American slavery and why? That becomes very complicated to answer. What groups pushed to keep American slavery and why? That I submit to you is a bit simpler to answer. I submit to you this question: How much American slavery was based on racism is perhaps better viewed in how it began and ended rather than during the time it flourished.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:40 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:40 pm to Grim
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Then he busts out the line that slavery wasn't racist because white people have been enslaved too
Makes sense to me. There is always going to be a bitch. Black folks were that bitch in those days.
It was going to be the indians, but the Indians said frick that.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:41 pm to Grim
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Then he busts out the line that slavery wasn't racist
Slavery is about who is the lowest on the pecking order. At that time is was African peoples. African peoples who themselves were the lowest hanging fruit on their continent. And delivered up by their African neighbors. For profit
Theres a good sized sex slave trade going on in the world. Guess what? Overwhelmingly those sex slaves ARE NOT Africans
Next time, you want to try to assert that youre smarter than the next guy. Do your research first. Because you came off as not being smart at all
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:44 pm to Grim
I did not go through the whole thread, but I'm sure it's been said that the black race does not have a monopoly on being enslaved throughout human history.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:47 pm to Ace Midnight
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You see remnants of it today - in the whole "light skinned/good hair" being valued relatively higher than more traditionally (implicitly West) African characteristics.
Yup.
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That was one of the cool things about the 70s as black Americans were rediscovering their "Africanism" - I thought it could be a good thing, black pride, self-esteem, and it probably was for a lot of folks
It initially was exactly that--a good thing. That was the period of time my parents lived through their adolescence, and to hear them tell it, it was extremely empowering to know that they exerted so much control over their identity and future, especially compared to their predecessors. Hell, that's where the term "African-American" proliferated. It was never meant to be separatist from the USA--it was CLAIMING the USA as a black person in a way that had yet to be done previously.
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it kind of evolved, unfortunately, into a retro-tribalism that persists with us today and inhibits a more true integration of black folks into the complete American experience, even 50+ years after the CRA.
Pendulum swung too far the other way. Now, consorting with white people is seen as a mark against one's "blackness" by leftist blacks (idk how many times I've had someone intimate that my opinion on black matters was invalidated because my spouse isn't black). Exercising political clout has become an exercise in virtue signaling--where the virtue is embodied by never straying from the party line (and thus abdicating the effectiveness of the demographic). Etc.
We've regressed. And it's a crying shame.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 12:47 pm to BBONDS25
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You are far more bigoted than "this board".
You have examples?
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