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Judge throws out Maryland congressional map over ‘extreme’ gerrymandering
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:25 pm
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A Maryland judge has thrown out the state’s congressional map, calling it an “extreme partisan gerrymander” in what is a victory for Republicans who said Democrats in the state General Assembly sought to silence their votes.
The ruling Friday by Anne Arundel County Senior Judge Lynne A. Battaglia marks the first time in Maryland history a judge has found a congressional map violated the state constitution, deciding that it violated rules laid out in Maryland law traditionally applied to legislative districts requiring them to be compact and to give regard to political subdivisions. She also ruled that the map in turn violated the state constitution’s equal protection, free speech and free elections clauses.
She said the weight of the evidence “yields the conclusion that the 2021 Congressional Plan in Maryland is an ‘outlier,’ an extreme gerrymander that subordinates constitutional criteria to political considerations.”
Battaglia enjoined the map from being used in this year’s primary and general elections in Maryland and ordered the General Assembly to redraw the map by March 30 — a furious deadline for what has often been a weeks-long process.
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Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:27 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Gerrymandering should be illegal. Make the districts and let the chips fall where they may.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:30 pm to saints5021
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Gerrymandering should be illegal. Make the districts and let the chips fall where they may.
Uhm, what?
They HAVE to do this due to population changes. Do you not understand how we, the people, are represented in Congress?
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:32 pm to Bearcat90
This.
If they didn’t redistrict based on the census, Detroit would still have heavy representation.
If they didn’t redistrict based on the census, Detroit would still have heavy representation.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:38 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Wait, good news for the GOP for a change?
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:41 pm to idlewatcher
Yeah, they are serving ice water in Hell right now.
Maryland is so blue it isn’t funny yet they managed to frick up redistricting an 8 seat state.
The past elections had one heavy R district (R+14) and seven heavy Dem districts, with the R district taking up
Most of the eastern shore.
How they managed to make a contiguous district that eliminated it would be interesting to see.
Maryland is so blue it isn’t funny yet they managed to frick up redistricting an 8 seat state.
The past elections had one heavy R district (R+14) and seven heavy Dem districts, with the R district taking up
Most of the eastern shore.
How they managed to make a contiguous district that eliminated it would be interesting to see.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:43 pm to Bearcat90
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Uhm, what?
They HAVE to do this due to population changes. Do you not understand how we, the people, are represented in Congress?
We could probably just have computers take in the census data and shite out roughly equally sized districts for the entire country at this juncture.
Get the bullshite politics out of this process. Even the stuff that claims to be nonpartisan is really just the two parties horse trading constituents around relative to their power within the state.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:44 pm to Bearcat90
Gerrymandering is used by both parties, primarily to the disadvantage of the minority parties of the states. Just look at the bizarre configurations of Texas' congressional districts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:46 pm to tarzana
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Gerrymandering is used by both parties, primarily to the disadvantage of the minority parties of the states. Just look at the bizarre configurations of Texas' congressional districts
You're going to get kicked out of your Quidditch club if they found out you said this wasn't a Republican only tactic
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:46 pm to Bearcat90
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Gerrymandering
quote:The word you're looking for is "redistricting"
They HAVE to do this due to population changes. Do you not understand how we, the people, are represented in Congress?
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:49 pm to Diego Ricardo
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We could probably just have computers take in the census data and shite out roughly equally sized districts for the entire country at this juncture.
Yeah, we can let Dominion handle that process too. I'm sure it will all be above board if it's automated.
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Get the bullshite politics out of this process
Gladly. What exactly is your proposal to end it?
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Even the stuff that claims to be nonpartisan is really just the two parties horse trading constituents around relative to their power within the state.
100% agree. Amazes me so many people thumbed me down for stating a fact. I'm sure whatever method that we used would still make one side or the other angry. The gerrymandering is supposedly a give & take process done in the State Representatives jurisdiction.
Anyone have a better idea? Chop up states in slices east to west? North to South slices? You'd still have areas everyone considered inequitable.
Glad I don't have to write the rules though.
This post was edited on 3/25/22 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:52 pm to Bearcat90
I think the big thing is making sure that every house rep is representing roughly the same number of people.
The reason why I think the truly apolitical solution must be automated is because you have to marry geographic bounds and population swathes together to make a coherent district.
I am a software engineer, so I guess I trust people like me more than politicians.
The reason why I think the truly apolitical solution must be automated is because you have to marry geographic bounds and population swathes together to make a coherent district.
I am a software engineer, so I guess I trust people like me more than politicians.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:53 pm to Bearcat90
quote:You may not be clear on what "gerrymandering" is.
The gerrymandering is supposedly a give & take process done in the State Representatives jurisdiction.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:56 pm to teke184
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This.
If they didn’t redistrict based on the census, Detroit would still have heavy representation.
It should be an opensource computer generated heatmap of population to get equal sized orderly geometric (squares? [irregular state borders would be an issue) districts.
Care must be taken to not go with one of the Soros based tools. The only requirement should be getting equal numbers in each district.
and screw "minority-majority" frankly unconstitutional districting
Posted on 3/25/22 at 2:00 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Maryland's map puts any map "gerrymandered" by Republicans to shame. So does Illinois' for that matter.
Building districts that have geographic continuity with a focus on existing administrative and/or geographical boundaries, without any regard whatsoever to party, race, religion, etc., is not difficult to do. That is how it should be, and let the political chips fall where they may.
ETA: Just fricking look at this thing
Can you imagine a red state trying to pull that? 
Building districts that have geographic continuity with a focus on existing administrative and/or geographical boundaries, without any regard whatsoever to party, race, religion, etc., is not difficult to do. That is how it should be, and let the political chips fall where they may.
ETA: Just fricking look at this thing
Can you imagine a red state trying to pull that? This post was edited on 3/25/22 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 3/25/22 at 2:00 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
If it weren't for BS politics, this shite would be so easy. I configured a map for Louisiana in 3 minutes that took into account for geographical differences and balanced the population. Only problem is that Louisiana likely wouldn't have a heavy majority D district because I tied Orleans parish with part of the Northshore. JP was tied in with some of it's surrounding areas. BR metro was basically on it's own, and once you get out of BR proper, it's mostly red.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 2:04 pm to NC_Tigah
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You may not be clear on what "gerrymandering" is.
That wasn't my original word, it was a response to another poster:
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Gerrymandering should be illegal. Make the districts and let the chips fall where they may.
My response was:
quote:
They HAVE to do this due to population changes. Do you not understand how we, the people, are represented in Congress?
I know precisely what gerrymandering is. It is the process that the current political party in power uses to redraw representation districts.
Personally, I trust computerizing this process even less than how we "redistrict" currently.
And as I also stated later:
quote:
Glad I don't have to write the rules though.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 2:06 pm to Bearcat90
WRONG!
When a judge appointed by a dem president (Clinton) finds that this 'map' stinks to high heaven, something IS really wrong and it has NOTHING to do with representation. It has to do with stealing elections.
When a judge appointed by a dem president (Clinton) finds that this 'map' stinks to high heaven, something IS really wrong and it has NOTHING to do with representation. It has to do with stealing elections.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 2:27 pm to Bearcat90
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00% agree. Amazes me so many people thumbed me down for stating a fact. I'm sure whatever method that we used would still make one side or the other angry. The gerrymandering is supposedly a give & take process done in the State Representatives jurisdiction.
Shouldnt get upset about the people. They have literally been told for years now that gerrymandering was a republican ploy to keep black people from voting because republicans are racist and want to put black people back in chains.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 2:39 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
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violated the state constitution’s equal protection, free speech
WTF? These are irrelevant to redistricting.
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