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re: Judge rules Trump use of Alien Enemies Act for gangs is ‘unlawful’
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:26 pm to LSUSkip
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:26 pm to LSUSkip
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Funny how one side can wordsmith someone into oblivion but when the other tries to get a little creative, it's unlawful.
The difference is based primarily in intelligence and norms.
This post was edited on 5/1/25 at 12:41 pm
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Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:27 pm to High C
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Judge Fernando Rodriguez Jr
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Trump appointee
Loyalty to one's own tribe...it's nature. Of course, which tribe you identify with is another matter
This post was edited on 5/2/25 at 12:57 am
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Take a moment, if you will, not to troll the board
Don't play coy with me MFer lol
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If the ruling in OP is the MAGA side, imagine the progressive ruling.
I am talking end result, going forward, procedure that will have to be followed as a result of rulings, appeals, etc.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:29 pm to LSUSkip
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No, a foreign country isn't sending this gang to invade the US
This is false. Venezuela intentionally sent TdA members to the US. This has been proven.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:32 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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I am talking end result, going forward, procedure that will have to be followed as a result of rulings, appeals, etc.
As I said, I imagine most analyses will be similar to the ruling in OP.
Same analysis (textualism, historical analysis, etc.) and same result.
People just got so emotionally invested in this sort of stupidity Megyn Kelly — Alien Enemies Act is not subject to judicial review. and lost all rationality on the issue.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:33 pm to Jbird
Isn’t this currently in front of the Supreme Court?
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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As I said, I imagine most analyses will be similar to the ruling in OP.
Got it
I'm not even going to click that MK link. No offense, but IDGAF what she says.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:35 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Isn’t this currently in front of the Supreme Court?
Not right now I don't think. I imagine this ruling and its kin will be appealed up there in the future.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
Seriously Slo, no trolling on this. I know you have some serious & intelligent insight.
I blv the people should define it.
"Government of the people, by the people, for the people"
Being that a true democracy is created and maintained by its citizens.
I blv the people should define it.
"Government of the people, by the people, for the people"
Being that a true democracy is created and maintained by its citizens.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:39 pm to Jbird
Wasn’t TDA basically Maduro’s armed thugs he hired to intimidate voters and suppress opposition?
I’d argue the gang fits the definition of armed, organized and under at least some direction of the authoritarian Venezuelan govt.
It’s no different than if the Taliban sent ISIS cells to infiltrate our border
I’d argue the gang fits the definition of armed, organized and under at least some direction of the authoritarian Venezuelan govt.
It’s no different than if the Taliban sent ISIS cells to infiltrate our border
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:39 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
There are 2 (or 3, depending on your left brained word fetishism status) manners in which the act can be applied. One is declared war, which doesn't exist. That is the only version with any case law, as it's the only way the act has ever been used.
This is the portion being used today:
Most reasonable people see he AEA being limited to actual invasion/predatory incursion from actual government forces. (The "by any foreign nation or government" language).
The problem with this use of the AEA is there is almost no real support that we're being invaded or facing a predatory incursion from the sovereign state of Venezuela. The attempts to make this argument are being done in a clever manner, which in reality means anyone arguing it looks unintelligent/stupid.
This is the portion being used today:
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or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government,
Most reasonable people see he AEA being limited to actual invasion/predatory incursion from actual government forces. (The "by any foreign nation or government" language).
The problem with this use of the AEA is there is almost no real support that we're being invaded or facing a predatory incursion from the sovereign state of Venezuela. The attempts to make this argument are being done in a clever manner, which in reality means anyone arguing it looks unintelligent/stupid.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:40 pm to cajunangelle
Holy shite. We knew Biden Obama and the rest of them were traitors for money, but this? Where are all the Dems that flood anti Trump threads? Wanna comment on this?
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Well, you better sit this one out if intelligence is involved
The different is based primarily in intelligence and norms.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:40 pm to This GUN for HIRE
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I blv the people should define it.
Then you need to change the Constitution and eliminate courts.
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Being that a true democracy is created and maintained by its citizens.
Oh man this thread may now head in a crazy direction
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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imagine the progressive ruling.
No need. I've seen it. "It's a tax". "No standing."
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:41 pm to AuburnTigers
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Well, you better sit this one out if intelligence is involved
While I did see the typo when you quoted (that's what I get redoing a post without looking over it first), if you're implying I'm not intelligent, you're displaying the Dunning-Kruger Effect in real time.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:42 pm to Jbird
quote:Deport his arse too.
Fernando Rodriguez Jr
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
Am I wrong in the assumption that the AEA isn’t necessary as a reason to deport these people? If it isn’t, why was this language included in the proclamation?
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:45 pm to High C
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Am I wrong in the assumption that the AEA isn’t necessary as a reason to deport these people?
You are not
Hence why people like me have said this clown show for muh fight is an unforced error
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If it isn’t, why was this language included in the proclamation?
For muh fight types and just because Trump always surrounds himself with people who think they're smarter than they are, who engage in cleverness, only to end up stepping on their own dicks. Then the MAGA rank and file, who got so riled up with the muh fight' emotional promotion of this strategy, claim the system is corrupt, instead of realize that their guy just fricked up for no earthly reason again.
Just like with Garcia. They could have avoided this whole shite show by just bringing him back, doing it properly, and fixing it on the DL but now it's a major story and they look, at best, like idiots (and at worst like authoritarians).
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:46 pm to Jbird
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Fernando Rodriguez
Sounds illegal. Deport his arse.
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