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re: Judge Boasberg, ordered Trump DOJ provide the court with more info in writing by Noon

Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:16 am to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:16 am to
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Just hand him a document calling for him to recuse himself from this case. With documentation of his daughters agency.
As noted above, a judge will consider the relevance of any evidence presented in support of a TRO.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41748 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:16 am to
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If it were YOUR ox being gored, you would agree.


This remains a terrible point.
In this case, the courts are trying to protect the bad guys.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35565 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:20 am to
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But woe be upon the lawyer who knowingly presents false evidence in support of a TRO.


Lol
Posted by SlayTime
Member since Jan 2025
3738 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:21 am to
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No. I support the Constitution and its limitations on government action and following the rule of law.


The guys that wrote the constitution annihilated every tribe on this continent to establish a constitution in the first place.

But yeah those same dudes would probably interpret the language in the constitution just like you.
Posted by BhamTigah
Lurker since Jan 2003
Member since Jan 2007
17618 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:23 am to
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had argued that the deportations would likely pose imminent and "irreparable" harm to the migrants under the time proposed.


Even if I agree with this, why should I give a frick?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:23 am to
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Hank and SFP support gang importation. Nothing more, nothing less
No. I support the Constitution and its limitations on government action and following the rule of law.
I genuinely believe that most of these folks simply do not have the capacity to understand that (rather esoteric) distinction.

Maybe it is (lack of) education or maybe it is limited intelligence, But I genuinely believe that some of them just cannot process that sort of higher-level analysis.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:23 am to
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Please show where the Executive is acting illegally....and show your work.

This is the discussion going on now. I'm not taking a position on whether they are or are not, just giving a more reality-based framing of the discussion compared to OP
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:24 am to
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I genuinely believe that most of these folks simply do not have the capacity to understand that (rather esoteric) distinction.

It's more desire than capacity. They have their talking points and they will repeat them.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:26 am to
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When courts are discussing the limits of governmental power, the underlying case/merits often include bad people.
As I have said in a number of related threads. Ernesto Miranda was a bad person. But does any rational American still believe that a criminal defendant should NOT be advised of his right to legal counsel?
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41331 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:26 am to
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I'm not taking a position on whether they are or are not


Probably because you don’t have a clue.
Posted by GeauxBurrow312
Member since Nov 2024
6269 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:28 am to
We just had an election. Anyone wanting to play “gotcha” with lawfare is no patriot. Democracy is not a unelected piece of shite deciding to hold up the presidents agenda at every step of the way

These judges are playing with fire, and need to be removed if they are incapable of acknowledging POTUS as the unitary executive
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:28 am to
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This wasn't a EO but a law passed by congress to give a President this power. It does not qualify for Judicial Actions.
It is still reasonably early in the day, but that IS the dumbest thing I have seen today.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:30 am to
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how is it that it takes a matter of minutes for a judge to take this action, when people are waiting months and years for almost any other motion/ruling?
It is the nature of a TRO. Any TRO. Always has been.

Allegations of "irreparable harm" have always jumped you to the front of the line for a (usually very short) hearing.
Posted by Stidham8
Member since Aug 2018
10345 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:31 am to
So the democrat party has chosen to hang their hat on keeping Venezuelan gang members here as one of their platforms.

That’ll work out well.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 9:32 am
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:31 am to
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Funny no one said an F'ing word when Biden was flying them all in.
Really?

My recollection is that the bitching was nonstop.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
31513 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:32 am to
Grok's response to all of this:

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If you were a federal district judge would you have power to rule on the alien enemies act or as the scotus ruled that the act is not a judicial review able issue?


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As a federal district judge, I would not have the power to rule on the Alien Enemies Act in the sense of reviewing the president’s determinations under it. The Supreme Court has ruled that the act, specifically the president’s actions pursuant to it, is not a judicially reviewable issue. This conclusion stems from precedent, notably the 1948 case Ludecke v. Watkins, where the Court held that the president’s authority under the Alien Enemies Act to apprehend, restrain, or remove enemy aliens during a declared war is a matter of executive discretion and not subject to judicial review.
Understanding the Alien Enemies Act
The Alien Enemies Act, enacted in 1798, grants the president broad powers during a declared war to deal with aliens who are citizens or subjects of a hostile nation. This could include actions like detention or deportation. The law is distinct from other wartime measures, such as the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II under Executive Order 9066, which applied to U.S. citizens and is not directly tied to this statute.
Supreme Court Precedent
In Ludecke v. Watkins, the Supreme Court addressed a challenge to the deportation of a German national after World War II. The petitioner argued that the war had ended, rendering the act inapplicable, but the Court deferred to the president’s determination that hostilities persisted. The ruling emphasized that such decisions are political judgments within the executive’s wartime authority, not suitable for courts to second-guess. This established that the president’s specific actions under the act are insulated from judicial oversight.
Implications for a Federal District Judge
As a federal district judge, I am bound by Supreme Court precedent. The ruling in Ludecke v. Watkins means I lack the authority to review the merits of the president’s decisions under the Alien Enemies Act—such as whether an individual qualifies as an enemy alien or whether the action taken was appropriate. Even in cases involving procedural questions, like a habeas corpus petition, the Supreme Court has upheld this deference, as seen in Ludecke, where a habeas challenge was denied.
Could the Act Itself Be Challenged?
Theoretically, courts have the power to review the constitutionality of statutes, including the Alien Enemies Act. For instance, one might argue it violates due process under the Fifth Amendment. However, the act’s long history—over two centuries—and its acceptance in wartime contexts, combined with the Supreme Court’s deference to the political branches in national security matters, make it highly unlikely that such a challenge would succeed. The Ludecke decision implicitly upholds the act’s validity, further limiting a lower court’s ability to rule against it.
Interpreting the Query
The query’s phrasing—“would you have power to rule on the alien enemies act or as the scotus ruled that the act is not a judicial review able issue?”—is slightly ambiguous, possibly due to a missing comma. It could mean:
“Do I have the power to rule on the act, or has SCOTUS ruled it non-reviewable?” Here, the answer is that SCOTUS has ruled it non-reviewable.
“Do I have the power despite the SCOTUS ruling?” As a lower court judge, I am bound by precedent, so the answer remains no.
In either case, the outcome is the same: I do not have the power to rule on the president’s actions under the act.
Conclusion
Given the Supreme Court’s ruling that the president’s determinations under the Alien Enemies Act are not subject to judicial review, I, as a federal district judge, would lack the authority to rule on such matters. This limitation reflects the judiciary’s traditional deference to the executive in wartime national security decisions. Therefore, the answer to the query is clear: I would not have the power to rule on the Alien Enemies Act in this context.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
82423 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:32 am to
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The President could have misapplied the law, and the law itself could be invalid.


There is no other way to learn this other than to take it for a test drive.

Trump is doing us all a favor by finding the limits.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41331 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:32 am to
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My recollection is that the bitching was nonstop.


Not by you of course. You are a nasty pro illegal immigration person.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:34 am to
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We have in front of us now, a case in which the President has decided to revoke a visa from someone he thinks is undesirable. That seems to be a proper function of the Presidency.
And if he followed the law in that revocation, his actions will be upheld.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:36 am to
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The damned corrupt judge.
Funny how any litigant at any level, from JP court to SCOTUS, will make this sort of allegation when a ruling goes against him.
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