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re: Judge Beryl Howell goes all in blocks another Trump EO - Perkins Coie

Posted on 5/3/25 at 7:23 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 7:23 pm to
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Most on here like a lawyer like Wednesday that has big time common sense

"Common sense" is code for "she says what I want to hear"

Remember, the last time Wednesday disagreed with me on a major Constitutional ruling (the whole "have to impeach and remove a President before he can be tried for a crime" debate), I was ultimately proven right.

And the typical histrionic meme response happened (not directing this at her specifically) when I spiked that football: "SFP is celebrating the downfall of America!"

As I said earlier in this thread, "Common sense" is " the crutch of dumb people and people who are losing arguments."

When people can't rely on the facts, evidence, logic, etc., they devolve to hiding behind "common sense".
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
5906 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 7:29 pm to
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As I said earlier in this thread, "Common sense" is " the crutch of dumb people and people who are losing arguments." When people can't rely on the facts, evidence, logic, etc., they devolve to hiding behind "common sense".


And that is why you cannot be taken seriously. Sometimes facts are provided by common sense. It is a trait that trumps legalities. When facts are scarce you must use common sense to find the facts. You, as a lawyer, use “well, where are the finger prints”. We say look at the item they touched.
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 7:36 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476865 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 7:37 pm to
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And that is why you cannot be taken seriously.

Because I understand the use case of vague, nebulous, and malleable terms?

Explain how anyone can ever respond logically or intellectually honestly to someone throwing up "common sense" ? Not only is it not based in evidence or logic, it's specifically a moving target used specifically to avoid relying on either.

It can neither be debated nor defended.

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Sometimes facts are provided by common sense. It is a trait that trumps legalities. When facts are scarce you must use common sense to find the facts.


So we're just making shite up, at that point. I think this proves my point above.
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 7:39 pm
Posted by Warboo
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Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 7:49 pm to
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So we're just making shite up, at that point. I think this proves my point above.


Not making up shite up at all. You are arguing a point and I am arguing a point. A judge ruled the way she did and you are backing her. I am arguing the opposite and will be ruled by another judge and probably end up in the scotus. Common sense will be applied to constitutional law. I know now that common sense is ignorance of the law as you just posted. We will see if common sense interpretations of the law fits with scotus. For you to use common sense as an interpretation or example of ignorance is typical. You sir, are a joke.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 8:48 pm to
They paid for the dossier it was billed to the campaign as legal advice
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frick off with your everyone had a hand in it except Perkins top secret clearance holders.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55643 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:39 pm to
Nothing better than the process of a pretender coming out of the closet for all to see.


Posted by Captain Rumbeard
Member since Jan 2014
7157 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:40 pm to
Clock's ticking faster and faster now.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23218 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:47 pm to
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You seem confused.


You are a bot.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
22761 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 9:53 pm to
I left this thread about 6 hours ago and your loser arse is still up in here jfc
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476865 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:28 pm to
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Nothing better than the process of a pretender coming out of the closet f

A pretender? What was I pretending?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476865 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:29 pm to
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They paid for the dossier it was billed to the campaign as legal advice

They facilitated the money transfer. And their role ended there, correct.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476865 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:30 pm to
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You are a bot.

No. One major trait of NPCs is they're repetitive. Another is that they don't understand proper context, what's being discussed, or how to respond.

Hence, the "you seem confused" meme.
Posted by yakster
Member since Mar 2021
4103 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:31 pm to
Don’t be retarded? Seems that you do this on a regular basis on here. Are you on the Soros payroll? Because you are 100 percent of the time on the opposing team.
Posted by spacewrangler
In my easy chair with my boots on..
Member since Sep 2009
9880 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 10:41 pm to
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The argument is you can't deny a security clearance for viewpoint discrimination.


Sure the frick you can. what if their political viewpoint was round up all the jews and exterminate them.


The claiming of viewpoint discrimination is just a another bullshite slickwilly tactic to muddy the line. The President should be able to terminate any security clearance he deems necessary and doesn't need to answer to any fricking district Judge as to why.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
90063 posts
Posted on 5/3/25 at 11:46 pm to
I read this entire thread and it made me laugh. Several of the usual suspects have hijacked this thread based on their same old tired BS.

To simplify the subject, what is a security clearance?

quote:

A security clearance is a determination that an individual is deemed trustworthy enough to be granted access to classified information. This process involves a background investigation to assess an individual's character, loyalty, and trustworthiness, ensuring they can be trusted to handle sensitive national security information.

Here's a more detailed explanation: Purpose: To authorize individuals to access classified information based on their need-to-know and the level of security clearance they hold.

To protect classified information from unauthorized disclosure, which could potentially harm national security.

Process: 1. Application: . Individuals apply for a security clearance when they are offered a position requiring access to classified information.

2. Background Investigation: . The government conducts a thorough background investigation to assess the applicant's suitability.

3. Adjudication: . A security clearance is granted or denied based on the findings of the background investigation and adherence to specific adjudicative guidelines, says the American Public University.

4. Interim Clearance: . In some cases, an interim clearance may be granted to allow an individual to begin working in a position while the full background investigation is pending, says Go Government.

Levels of Security Clearances (US Government): Confidential: . Access to information that could cause damage to national security if disclosed.

Secret: . Access to information that could cause serious damage to national security if disclosed.

Top Secret: . Access to information that could cause exceptionally grave damage to national security if disclosed.

Factors Considered During the Security Clearance Process:
Loyalty to the United States.
Character and trustworthiness.
Honesty, reliability, and discretion.

Any potential security risks, such as criminal history or financial instability. In essence, a security clearance is a crucial step in ensuring the protection of national security information and is a prerequisite for many government and contractor positions involving sensitive information.


who grants security clearances? the Executive Branch.

so this status is vetted and approved solely by the Executive Branch. If the Executive branch says no, then no security clearance. No one has a right to a clearance, it is a courtesy. One that can be be denied or revoked for whatever reason the Executive Branch wants. Who decides if a person or an entity is trustworthy of classified info? The keepers of the info, which is the Executive Branch.

this case is another grand standing loser, beryl howell knows this. This is just another version of Lawfare meant to bog down the Trump Admin.

So the Trump Admin says the FedGov will no longer do business with PC. Therefore PC does not need or deserve a security clearance.That is the Constitutional granted power given to the Executive branch.

The End.

the irony is, when this goes forward we could learn in discovery in clear detail why the Trump Admin revoked the security clearance. That probably wont look very good for PC. The timing of this action in the wake of The Pentagon leaking like a sieve is probably not a coincidence.
This post was edited on 5/4/25 at 11:19 am
Posted by ManBearSharkReb
Member since Dec 2018
6193 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 12:34 am to
Thank you.

SlowProHomo has been arguing for 12 hours that the judiciary has the authority to grant security clearances which is not an authority granted to the judicial branch under the constitution.

The executive branch is responsible for matters of national security as the constitution explicitly states the President is the commander in chief. NOT some corrupt dyke running a kangaroo district court.

The constitution also explicitly requires the president to defend the country against enemies foreign and domestic.

Colluding with a foreign spy to fabricate a dossier as an impetus to overthrow a duly elected president is grounds for terminating Perkins Coie’s security clearance at a minimum. And it could be argued that an attempted coup amounts to treason.

SFP should stick to traffic court where his retarded arguments may sway Cletus from the backwaters.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 11:08 am to
Is that you, Sweeney?
Posted by Oizers
Member since Nov 2009
2691 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 11:25 am to
The left started the game and created its rules. The right is simply playing by the rules of the game.
Posted by Oizers
Member since Nov 2009
2691 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 11:30 am to
Do you even ABA Formal Opinion 491 bro?
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
90063 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 6:19 pm to
I guess SFP has nothing left to say in this thread
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