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Judge backs Houston hospitals decision to fire people without vaccine
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:29 am
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:29 am
USA today via yahoo
While I took the vaccine, and I will also say I think it is foolish for most people outside of children to refuse them, I find this somewhat problematic.
EUA is how these vaccines are approved currently. These vaccines are not fully approved by the fda.
I know of many hospitals mandating flu vaccines and other vaccines, but these are fully fda approved vaccines.
Biden said they wouldn't be mandatory
While some would say that this is not making the vaccine mandatory, just a requirement for employment, a better argument would be government statement versus private business. And government shouldn't be able to tell businesses how to act, except we know that's not how liberals act.
While I am not a lawyer, seeing as this is not fully approved, I would say the workers have the right to refuse.
I think this is setting a dangerous precedent, especially if it is upheld.
While I don't consider this dangerous, could employers mandate risky behavior by employees? Especially if these institutions take massive amounts of government money?
And the decision will be appealed.
So if the claim was true would it still be irrelevant?
Can the hospital make mandate risky vaccines as arequirement for employment?
I find the judges ruling concerning. Is he an Obama appointee? Liberal Houston appointee?
This is obviously going to open up the floodgates on these requirements if upheld.
While I took the vaccine, and I will also say I think it is foolish for most people outside of children to refuse them, I find this somewhat problematic.
EUA is how these vaccines are approved currently. These vaccines are not fully approved by the fda.
I know of many hospitals mandating flu vaccines and other vaccines, but these are fully fda approved vaccines.
Biden said they wouldn't be mandatory
While some would say that this is not making the vaccine mandatory, just a requirement for employment, a better argument would be government statement versus private business. And government shouldn't be able to tell businesses how to act, except we know that's not how liberals act.
While I am not a lawyer, seeing as this is not fully approved, I would say the workers have the right to refuse.
I think this is setting a dangerous precedent, especially if it is upheld.
While I don't consider this dangerous, could employers mandate risky behavior by employees? Especially if these institutions take massive amounts of government money?
And the decision will be appealed.
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In recent weeks, a few other major hospitals have followed Houston Methodist's lead, including the University of Pennsylvania, University of Louisville, New York Presbyterian and several major hospitals in the Washington, D.C. area.
Houston Methodist's CEO Marc Boom predicts more hospitals soon will join the effort. Many hospitals and employers were waiting for legal clarification before acting.
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We can now put this behind us and continue our focus on unparalleled safety, quality, service and innovation," Boom said after the ruling. "Our employees and physicians made their decisions for our patients, who are always at the center of everything we do."
The lawsuit was filed by 117 workers led by Jennifer Bridges, a nurse at Houston Methodist's Baytown hospital who declined the vaccine because she considers it experimental and dangerous. The judge disagreed, writing: "This claim is false, and it is also irrelevant."
So if the claim was true would it still be irrelevant?
Can the hospital make mandate risky vaccines as arequirement for employment?
I find the judges ruling concerning. Is he an Obama appointee? Liberal Houston appointee?
This is obviously going to open up the floodgates on these requirements if upheld.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 8:34 am
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:32 am to thetempleowl
Why did Johnson and Johnson just have to destroy 60 million viles?
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:34 am to thetempleowl
You vill take zee injection comrade. Or vee vill ruin you……..
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:41 am to thetempleowl
Why are we vaccinating against something with a 99.9% survival rate.
Average death rate pre CoVid was 78.8
Average death of CoVid patients is 78.4.
This is stupid to even debate.
Average death rate pre CoVid was 78.8
Average death of CoVid patients is 78.4.
This is stupid to even debate.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:41 am to DaTruth7
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Why did Johnson and Johnson just have to destroy 60 million viles?
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This follows the discovery of serious breaches at Emergent, including the cross-contamination of Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca vaccines and mould in the Baltimore plant.
This was because of unsafe manufacturing processes.
Totally unrelated and everyone I would think agrees as the correct thing to do.
This ruling I suspect would have garnered outrage in the media if the ruling had gone the other way.
I can see the headlines...
Judge's ruling makes hospitals unsafe.
Or
Hospitals cannot maintain safety standards.
Just have to look at things through a liberal prism where the government knows best...
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:53 am to thetempleowl
The media has people thinking this is the bubonic plague (it’s not!). If you are in generally good health and under 80 then you have really nothing out of the ordinary to be concerned about.
Decisions by hospitals like this backup the bubonic plague description the media put out.
Decisions by hospitals like this backup the bubonic plague description the media put out.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:00 am to thetempleowl
Lynn Hughes is a a Reagan appointee and about as anti-liberal as it gets.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:04 am to thetempleowl
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I will also say I think it is foolish for most people outside of children to refuse them
Why is it foolish?
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:05 am to thetempleowl
Eventually they will have a nurse shortage and have to hire these same people back
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:07 am to thetempleowl
quote:
I will also say I think it is foolish for most people outside of children to refuse them
Did they reveal the results of the 5 and 10 year effect studies before giving you the shot?
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:11 am to thetempleowl
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While I took the vaccine, and I will also say I think it is foolish for most people outside of children to refuse them, I find this somewhat problematic.
I feel quite the opposite. I'm just following the science though.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:15 am to NIH
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Lynn Hughes is a a Reagan appointee and about as anti-liberal as it gets.
Not anymore it would seem, liberty did not reign in this ruling.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:20 am to thetempleowl
You say it's foolish not to get it if your and adult. Then say it's not FDA approved. That makes you a test subject for a virus with a 99.7 survival rate. How stupid can you be, I really don't see the obsession with all of these people who worry if other people get jabbed. If you got it then you should be immune right...... Wrong , I know two people who I work with who got it and with in two weeks both got covid. Never had if before the vaccine but both got it after. One was my boss who I begged not to get it. He is so brainwashed that he said "you know the doctors said if I hadn't got the vaccine It would been worse on me than it was " I really think people are just stupid as hell now days.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:26 am to thetempleowl
I foresee a shortage of staff at these hospitals mandating the shot. We already have a shortage of nurses. This will only make it worse for those places. Go figure.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:31 am to FATBOY TIGER
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Lynn Hughes is a a Reagan appointee and about as anti-liberal as it gets.
Not anymore it would seem, liberty did not reign in this ruling.
Seems like a lot head scratching rulings from alleged conservative judges lately.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:38 am to loogaroo
It’s not.
Conservatives go by the letter of the law even when it restricts freedom. Liberal judges look for ways to frick over America no matter what the law says.
Guess which side is winning?
Conservatives go by the letter of the law even when it restricts freedom. Liberal judges look for ways to frick over America no matter what the law says.
Guess which side is winning?
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:42 am to thetempleowl
If the hospital is strictly private, that's their business... but if they take a dime of the taxpayer's money, hell no! How can they use taxpayer money to discriminate against and punish tax paying citizens? What if you've already had the China virus, would you have to take the vaccine anyway? What if you have a medical condition that contradicts the use of the vaccine? What gives them the right to know your medical history anyway? HIPAA laws, anyone? What happened to "reasonable accommodation"?
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:44 am to loogaroo
I don’t understand why you find this head scratching, it’s the correct ruling. I thought we didn’t support judicial activism from the bench?
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:46 am to dartman
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but if they take a dime of the taxpayer's money
Lol.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 9:55 am to dartman
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What if you've already had the China virus, would you have to take the vaccine anyway?
Here’s the real issue. The vaccine doesn’t protect better than beating Covid. Something millions of people have done.
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