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re: Judge backs Houston hospitals decision to fire people without vaccine
Posted on 6/13/21 at 12:40 pm to DallasTiger11
Posted on 6/13/21 at 12:40 pm to DallasTiger11
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You are only looking at it in the vacuum of dying and ignoring possible long term consequences that could come from the vaccine that we don’t know about yet. If you are young and healthy the risk/reward profile is uncertain
Not really.
We really are aware of the long term issues. Moderna has been around for over a decade.
We have a pretty good idea.
But hold it, how about blondes versus darker hair or red heads? We don't know the full data!!!!!
Actually we have a much fuller picture than you know.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 12:54 pm to thetempleowl
You couldn’t be more factually wrong. There are no facts that exist for this vaccine. The data for the vaccine is currently being collected as we speak.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 1:08 pm to NIH
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Lynn Hughes is a a Reagan appointee and about as anti-liberal as it gets.
Her ruling, here, determined that’s a lie.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 1:09 pm to thetempleowl
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We really are aware of the long term issues. Moderna has been around for over a decade.
Bull shite.
That’s a lie.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 1:48 pm to supatigah
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the economy was paused, trump was defeated
So the other 190=odd countries on earth all paused their economies to hurt Trump too. That was pretty weird of them.
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Florida created the perfect example for a managed and reasonable response versus prolonged hysteria and authoritarianism
Most of the adults in Florida are vaccinated, so yeah.
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michigan is still locked down and citizens are rallying to recall the governor, Florida has been open and their economy is booming
Nowhere in the US has ever been what can reasonably be described as locked down. Not like what was seen in other countries. Many of those countries still have significant mitigation policies in place because they don't have as much access to vaccines yet.
So yeah, I agree with you. Florida (and many other states) has been doing quite well since vaccines became available.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 1:52 pm to thetempleowl
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for people with mild infections or asymptomatic infections, most would suggest they get the vaccine.
That’s a narrative. Not a discussion.
What’s the rate of asymptomatic infections?
Posted on 6/13/21 at 2:01 pm to thetempleowl
how do you “know” anything I have predicted is wrong? where are you getting the information that proves you are correct and I am wrong? what is the “truth?” where is unbiased data captured and held? who is in charge of the data? who releases the data we accept as “fact?” who FUNDS the data collection? who or what can you really trust at this point?
I have a very dear friend with a PhD in molecular biology that did a contractor posting in the US section of the Wuhan lab and he had some pretty eye opening things to say about a lot of this stuff. He said the key to the whole thing is the ACE2 enzyme, which parts of humanity globally naturally have it (Asians) and their resulting infection rates, which parts of humanity don’t have as much of it (Europeans) and their resulting infections and all of the details in between of how the virus came to be, how it overcame the “inefficiencies” to spread globally and the machinations behind the scenes in response and prevention
Hopefully everything comes out and the whole story becomes known, but I doubt it will. He told me that all of his Chinese former co-workers he kept up with have vanished and he has lost touch with some of the Americans he worked with. He said the majority of the Americans he worked with in Wuhan refuse to talk about it.
it is widely known if you are in the biological science field in the Army or Navy and you want to make Lt. Colonel or Lt. Commander you worked at least one rotation in Wuhan. Consequently a ton of academics, active and former military went through that post and know a lot of things they arent talking about. Yet
All of that being said, you have opened the door for yourself to a series of questions by taking an experimental vaccine and trusting massive corporations and the government
those who have not taken the vaccines have those doors to those questions still closed. their vulnerability is to Covid itself, whatever those may be
I hope it works out for you all, but opening those doors and exposing yourself to vulnerability and unknown present and future risks was avoidable and most likely unnecssary
I have a very dear friend with a PhD in molecular biology that did a contractor posting in the US section of the Wuhan lab and he had some pretty eye opening things to say about a lot of this stuff. He said the key to the whole thing is the ACE2 enzyme, which parts of humanity globally naturally have it (Asians) and their resulting infection rates, which parts of humanity don’t have as much of it (Europeans) and their resulting infections and all of the details in between of how the virus came to be, how it overcame the “inefficiencies” to spread globally and the machinations behind the scenes in response and prevention
Hopefully everything comes out and the whole story becomes known, but I doubt it will. He told me that all of his Chinese former co-workers he kept up with have vanished and he has lost touch with some of the Americans he worked with. He said the majority of the Americans he worked with in Wuhan refuse to talk about it.
it is widely known if you are in the biological science field in the Army or Navy and you want to make Lt. Colonel or Lt. Commander you worked at least one rotation in Wuhan. Consequently a ton of academics, active and former military went through that post and know a lot of things they arent talking about. Yet
All of that being said, you have opened the door for yourself to a series of questions by taking an experimental vaccine and trusting massive corporations and the government
those who have not taken the vaccines have those doors to those questions still closed. their vulnerability is to Covid itself, whatever those may be
I hope it works out for you all, but opening those doors and exposing yourself to vulnerability and unknown present and future risks was avoidable and most likely unnecssary
Posted on 6/13/21 at 2:17 pm to longwayfromLA
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Most of the adults in Florida are vaccinated, so yeah.
you are a nice talking point machine
Posted on 6/13/21 at 2:52 pm to thetempleowl
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Bring successful at life is just a series of risk vs reward decisions.
Making good decisions has a very positive impact of you can consistently make them.
Such gibberish. Ive gone over a year without it, so a vaccine with little historical data is all of a sudden the "best decision". You do you...but don't tell others what's best for them like you are some expert on what's best for them. That's foolish.
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The benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks in most cases unless you are a child.
Proof? Do we even know the data of current cases that have vs haven't had the vaccine?
I've been more concerned with what to do if one does get it. That's where the govt failed us. Take a test and go home and wait a few days for it to come back. HCQ was something that could have helped early on in the infection. People should have gotten the test and a prescription for it. We're you saying people that were pro-HCQ were foolish?
Posted on 6/13/21 at 2:55 pm to supatigah
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Most of the adults in Florida are vaccinated, so yeah.
you are a nice talking point machine
This is a true statement. That it contradicts the propaganda you've been fed is what's troubling you so.
COVID Vaccination by state
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:08 pm to longwayfromLA
your subscription NYTIMES link is suboptimal
here is a free one
my propaganda
Florida’s economy was open and booming long before their vaccination numbers even approached 25%
here is a free one
my propaganda
Florida’s economy was open and booming long before their vaccination numbers even approached 25%
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:41 pm to loogaroo
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Seems like a lot head scratching rulings from alleged conservative judges lately.
It’s called having conservative principals and always doing the right thing.
Business has the right to do this and the conservative judge agreed.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:43 pm to LSUFanHouston
Muh principles will do you no good when you’re being stuffed into a boxcar
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:50 pm to thetempleowl
They will argue that the vaccine is a BFOQ for the safety of other employees and of patients.
I don't agree with it, but this will be the angle for hospitals and health care providers.
I don't agree with it, but this will be the angle for hospitals and health care providers.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:53 pm to thetempleowl
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a nurse at Houston Methodist's Baytown hospital who declined the vaccine because she considers it experimental and dangerous. The judge disagreed, writing: "This claim is false, and it is also irrelevant."
Wow
Posted on 6/13/21 at 4:05 pm to thetempleowl
Lynn Hughes has the second-lowest affirmance rate in his district among judges who have had at least 100 decisions reviewed by the 5th Circuit (72%).
Posted on 6/13/21 at 4:22 pm to thetempleowl
Yeah your so smart because you listen to a person who went to school for 4 years to learn what he's been told to learn. I've been to many doctors who didn't know there arse from a hole in the ground. You do what you want to but I don't have to. Thats America, but as far as your smart arse remark insinuating that I'm dumb. I promise you you wouldn't stand a chance in a debate with me on this .
Posted on 6/13/21 at 5:07 pm to LSUFanHouston
You still don’t know what conservatism even is.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:03 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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employer was allowed to set whatever work conditions it wants, and the judge said it isn't the government's concern.
Technically, that's not what the " judge " said.
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The lawsuit was filed by 117 workers led by Jennifer Bridges, a nurse at Houston Methodist's Baytown hospital who declined the vaccine because she considers it experimental and dangerous. The judge disagreed, writing: "This claim is false, and it is also irrelevant."
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:55 pm to supatigah
Why doesn’t your friend go public and ex play all of this?
As for the OP. I guess it’s ok to require all employees be sterilized for health reasons... the ruling is absurd and, I predict, will be overturned
As for the OP. I guess it’s ok to require all employees be sterilized for health reasons... the ruling is absurd and, I predict, will be overturned
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