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re: Journalists arrested and assaulted by cops in Ferguson without cause

Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:10 am to
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:10 am to
FWIW, I was off the past two day sick and followed things pretty closely on Twitter. Virtually every reporter ON THE GROUND IN FERGUSON has said the police have been the aggressors. Even one(forget the name, sorry) that is a regular contributor on Fox News said so. The only people labeling the protesters as the violent aggressors are armchair warriors that are far removed from the action.
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12419 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:11 am to
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So you admit there have been more peaceful protests than protests that were meant to cause trouble.


Never said otherwise

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So that would mean a majority of them have been peaceful


Sure. Of course they didn't say the 'majority', they said largely which infers "to a great extent; on the whole", but hey who actually wants to use words as they are defined.

The reports of riots nightly and even Obama calling for a more calm and measured response is because nothing negative is going down - it is 'largely' just wonderful. Not sure why people keep talking about riots and stuff.

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Yup, showing that you have no intent on looking at the situation objectively


yes I learned from a guy who would use the impression thug to describe a police officer that politely asked a douche to step outside. Nothing screamed objective like that! Everyone has their slants - I happen to not like rioters and people that use everything to fit a political agenda, race bait etc. That is what happens every time in this incidents. It is a weakness of mine. You seem to hate police. C'est la vie.

I am just happy these articles of several riots in a row nightly aren't really a big deal in anyway or form and it is questionable whether they exist. It makes me feel better. Now if the cops would just leave this poor people and Quik Trip alone - we would be all the better.

Didn't they learn from arresting OJ?



Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104174 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:11 am to
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If I were Ferguson I would call the one police department that generally blows all around but the exception is they actually are really really good with crowd control - the NOPD.



Not Our Problem, Dude.


In other news, fricking Al Jazeera was running for cover while filming. This is a news outlet which embeds itself with groups like Hamas for God's sake.

There's also this choice comment from the crowd which got Tweeted by a reporter-

quote:

Protester: “Obama, you have done nothing! We need you! You haven’t changed anything! frick y’all!” #ferguson

— Andy Carvin (@acarvin) August 14, 2014
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85186 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:15 am to
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has said the police have been the aggressors


That is my issue... If people are rioting and causing trouble, then action needs to be taken. But when people are peacefully protesting and you show up with armored vehicles to try to move them, instead of having civil discussions with the leaders of the groups, you are asking for trouble.

As I said last night. The para military officers threw their dicks on the tables way too early yesterday and all it did was ramp things up and bring out the thugs.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104174 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:22 am to
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As I said last night. The para military officers threw their dicks on the tables way too early yesterday and all it did was ramp things up and bring out the thugs.


I'd agree with you if there weren't already provacateurs like the New Black Panthers ginning up problems out there. The FBI already confirmed that they were there and what activities they were doing.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:24 am to
Is there anyone (outside of law enforcement people themselves) who thinks America is a better place for having local, state, and federal police walking around in military clothing with true "assault rifles"? Riding around in armored vehicles anytime the citizenry raises a stink about anything? Basically treating America as a battlefield?

WHO thinks that's a good idea? Who would vote for it if it were put to the vote?

We are idly watching the country being changed in a way that virtually nobody thinks is a good idea.
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:26 am to
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That is my issue... If people are rioting and causing trouble, then action needs to be taken. But when people are peacefully protesting and you show up with armored vehicles to try to move them, instead of having civil discussions with the leaders of the groups, you are asking for trouble.
I haven't been following the timeline of events closely but I got the impression the sheep were protesting during the day and the wolves come out at night.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85186 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:26 am to
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I'd agree with you if there weren't already provacateurs like the New Black Panthers ginning up problems out there


There was not a single sign of any thugs or panthers being in the crowd that started the bs last night. In fact, you see a few older cops standing next to the protestors and having civil conversations with them

They were sitting in the street and the military vehicles roll up and tell them to go the frick home while pointing weapons at the protesters.

You first see the thugs come out about 4hrs after the shite starts and those are the ones that throw shite.


Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85186 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:28 am to
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haven't been following the timeline of events closely but I got the impression the sheep were protesting during the day and the wolves come out at night.


EXACTLY

And that is the issue. The LEOs show up to the sheep with their para military equipment and throw their dicks on the table. That escalates things and eventually is like blood to sharks for the thugs who want to cause trouble.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:32 am to
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1. The cop is asking him to leave the building.... The reporter was dicking around and intentionally trying to get on his nerves.


Filming paramilitary cops is all you have to do to get on their nerves.

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2. It's a riot situation, I would expect him to be dressed that way. It's not as if he's driving a tank...


Really? There was a riot in progress?

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3. Who knows why this was happening, but that's an argument we should have with this cops boss. What if a Molotov cocktail had come through the window while dickless was trying to get on that cops nerves?


You seem to think you know what's going on.

Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:32 am to
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I'd agree with you if there weren't already provacateurs like the New Black Panthers ginning up problems out there. The FBI already confirmed that they were there and what activities they were doing.


So what? That's all it takes for you to be ok with paramilitary descending on American towns? We're giving up our freedom because of the goddamn Black Panthers?

Heaven forbid a Muslim ever kill a few people in one of our cities. Who knows what the police would do then? Oh wait...
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Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:33 am to
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keep using that logic in life and you'll find yourself needing a lawyer real soon


Great attitude comply or get thrown in jail. Logic works well in NK, too.
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:34 am to
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And that is the issue. The LEOs show up to the sheep with their para military equipment and throw their dicks on the table. That escalates things and eventually is like blood to sharks for the thugs who want to cause trouble.
is it not common practice for police to have increased presence with all organized protests, even peaceful ones?
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12419 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:37 am to
I don't think you completely off base on this, but at what point are you arguing this is on the cops? Surely the first night of looting was not a provocation from the cops? Was it the second night of riots? Third? When do you think the thugs decided we are going to stop now and be peaceful, but didn't because of police provocation?
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87398 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:40 am to
LEOs were in the wrong and I'm on the reporters side.

But pardon me if I do some eye rolling at these guys complaining about the travesty of being in jail for an hour while their publications think it's not worrisome that a huge government agency targeted organizations for political purposes.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:42 am to
And here are your paramilitary cops firing rubber bullets into a crowd of protesters with their hands up:

LINK

If they would just comply and not exercise their rights they wouldn't get hurt - Amirite!
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:44 am to
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trying to create a story about the cops from one tactical guy following orders and reacting to shite talking would be like making a statement about black people by having the amazing racist go into the protest and mocking black people, then filming the response of black people

Yeah this ONE cop reacted like this when someone talked shite to him, but this doesn't represent how cops act at all.
Totally isolated incident.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85186 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:51 am to
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I don't think you completely off base on this, but at what point are you arguing this is on the cops?


I'm arguing that its on the cops when they show up to a civil protest in the middle of the day with para military vehicles. They are poking the bull and instigating things.

As I said, there was no sign of the thugs until 4hrs after the cops started using their heavy handed tactics to push the peaceful protestors back.

Id even be ok with regular officers with shields standing there for crowd control, but there is no fricking reason to have 4-5 armored vehicles with gunners on top at the rally yesterday.


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Surely the first night of looting was not a provocation from the cops?


Hell no.. I have said multiple time that I think he looters and rioters need to be dealt with accordingly.
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12419 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:01 am to
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Hell no.. I have said multiple time that I think he looters and rioters need to be dealt with accordingly.


Ok so this covers night one.

What about night two, three, four etc....? There was activity all those nights too. At what point is that on the cops and not the rioters?

You mention yesterday they came out four hours after the police showed up in armed vehicles. Cant someone else say they came out at around the exact same time they have for every single night since Saturday?

That is why I am asking when you think the rioting became the result of the police?
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 8/14/14 at 10:02 am to
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but there is no fricking reason to have 4-5 armored vehicles with gunners on top at the rally yesterday.

Where's the fun in having bad-arse toys if you never use them to intimidate civilians?

Those guys didn't all attend a weeks worth of carbine training for nothing, you know.
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