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re: Journalist fired after calling police systemic racism a ‘myth’
Posted on 6/25/20 at 2:34 pm to mindbreaker
Posted on 6/25/20 at 2:34 pm to mindbreaker
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Throwing up stats without context is just a disingenuous.
If you were building a positive case about why different groups commit crime disproportionately maybe. If you are refuting claim about raw statistics using raw statistics then you have done what you need to do.
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Do they commit more crime because of their race or because of more forced interactions with police.
This is certainly the case with misdemeanors, but large amounts of violent crime dives police to these areas.
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Are they more impoverished, why are they more impoverished etc.
This is the complex issue that needs to be debated instead the one the article in question is debunking. How do we lift people out of poverty and reduce criminality?
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Regardless the real question is are black people treated and handled differently in interactions with police officers than white people. I honestly think they are because i don't think the thousands of black people who say they are, are lying to us just to do it.
The stats would tell you that black people are on average arrested more for misdemeanors and are more likely to be handled roughly (might partly be a cultural issue with resisting arrest/profiling). If that was the message from the movement then by all means, but it's not open season on black people by any unbiased look at the data.
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Posted on 6/25/20 at 2:35 pm to TBoy
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Talk about deep down the rabbit hole. This link is a swirl of sketchy right wing propaganda sites citing other sketchy right wing propaganda sites, all allegedly produced out of D.C. No names or addresses on anything. It's like reading graffiti.
If the MSM did their job, these rabbit holes would not be necessary.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 2:36 pm to mindbreaker
quote:You mean... like how people are justifying reparations?
Right so you think we should treat people differently because they share a skin tone with other people that commit crimes more frequently? Because that is what is happening. That is what a lot of people are using to justify this behavior.
Literally, people are suggesting that people's money should be taken because they sbare a skin color with people that have been dead more than 100 years.
That's even more absurd than your strawman. And people are actually using that argument.
This post was edited on 6/25/20 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 6/25/20 at 2:36 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
The press is attacking freedom of the press. Interesting!!
Posted on 6/25/20 at 2:36 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
But conservatives are the fascists, right? 
Posted on 6/25/20 at 2:38 pm to mindbreaker
Wtf does that have to do with murders and robbery ????
Posted on 6/25/20 at 2:45 pm to mindbreaker
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Do they commit more crime because of their race or because of more forced interactions with police. If stop and frisk was widely used on my white friends there would be a lot in jail right now for possession/running from the cops. Instead they went to college and no one bothered them.
This is so typical.
You're not really questioning what the statistics show or cautioning us on relying solely on statistics. You're advocating for completely disregarding the statistics in favor of using some emotionally-driven, personal anecdote collection to tell us what the truth is.
Modern left, ladies and gentlemen. Remember this next time you're confused of being anti-science, anti-data, etc.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 2:48 pm to mindbreaker
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Right so you think we should treat people differently because they share a skin tone with other people that commit crimes more frequently? Because that is what is happening.
Context?
I mean, is one demographic group more combative and willing to fight / kill while resisting arrest than any other group? How much more pronounced are those actions?
Experience can lead to learned behavior. It isn’t fair, but that is life. For the idiots that respond, “it’s part of the job description,” they are wrong. Being assaulted is not part of the job, and yet it still happens...regularly. There is a whole lot of wrong associated with all parties concerning these circumstances. Bad cops should be prosecuted. Your narrative, however, is nothing more than a dismissive deflection which, ironically, doesn’t take into account context.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 2:52 pm to mindbreaker
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I honestly think they are because i don't think the thousands of black people who say they are, are lying to us just to do it.
Yes, for the most part they are. First of all, they are brainwashed from the beginning that all cops are racist and out to get them. Many times it's taught to them from birth by family members and reinforced by academia and the media.
So they already have a preconceived notion that any encounters with the police are going to end badly for them no matter what the circumstances are.
Many times we have seen examples where a black suspect was arrested for committing a violent crime; yet friends and family members of the suspect contend they cannot believe so and so did this heinous act because they are such a good person. It has to be the evil judicial system framing them because they are black. A white person has likely committed the crime and gotten off simply because they are white and our family member is the fall guy here.
Just look at how black people exploded in wild celebration when O.J. Simpson was acquitted.
All of this has been built on a huge pile of lies.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 2:54 pm to TS1926
If their failure was do to systematic racism then why to black immigrants do so much better?
Posted on 6/25/20 at 2:59 pm to TBoy
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Talk about deep down the rabbit hole. This link is a swirl of sketchy right wing propaganda sites citing other sketchy right wing propaganda sites, all allegedly produced out of D.C. No names or addresses on anything. It's like reading graffiti
OK Herr Goebbels, projection project complete.
Objectivity overrules. You are dismissed.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 3:00 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
The left is so scared of facts.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 3:00 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
Adrianna San Marco , a Syracuse University student was fired from the Syracuse University newspaper for an opinion piece she wrote for another publication. It seems Syracuse University may be facing some legal issues that not even Jim Boeheims's famed zone defense can contain.
The university also gave the article more noteriety than i would have otherwise received.
The university also gave the article more noteriety than i would have otherwise received.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 3:00 pm to NashvilleTider
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If their failure was do to systematic racism then why to black immigrants do so much better?
Haven't been living off the welfare dole.
Have better family life, parenting structure - mother, father at home
Put an emphasis on hard work, education - this is due to not having been brainwashed by academia, media, about how disadvantaged they are
Do not feel things are "owed to them" The irony in all of this is that the entitlement crowd actually feel that almost all things are owed them because of their "poor lot in life." Anytime someone or something, i.e. the police, authority "offends" this notion, they become very angry and unsettled.
This post was edited on 6/25/20 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 6/25/20 at 3:06 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
Anyone who thinks this ends without killing a LOT of liberals has no sense of History whatsoever
Posted on 6/25/20 at 3:26 pm to mindbreaker
Your use of the chicken or egg argument is what is disingenuous.
Using a well documented Rayshard Brooks situation, at what time did the police mistreat him up until the first punch. They weren’t out looking to get a black man. They were called because of his illegal actions. They were polite and professional and doing their job until he resisted. No chance to de- escalate.
I would take the argument of black lives matter more serious if the black community took a realistic problem solving approach. Too many more thirteen year olds being killed than Rashads. As the activists in Chicago asked, ‘Where is the outrage’. The looters I saw wanted free stuff not social justice.
While this country is far from perfect it is far from needing to be burned down. There are too many looking for equality based on outcome which is impossible because we don’t all have the same God given talents or make the same decisions.
I’ll never know the hardships of being black. How will you know the hardships of being born poor and white. Statistics say we are more alike in opportunity than you think.
Check out Thomas Sowel’s video on systemic racism. He is smarter than both of us.
Using a well documented Rayshard Brooks situation, at what time did the police mistreat him up until the first punch. They weren’t out looking to get a black man. They were called because of his illegal actions. They were polite and professional and doing their job until he resisted. No chance to de- escalate.
I would take the argument of black lives matter more serious if the black community took a realistic problem solving approach. Too many more thirteen year olds being killed than Rashads. As the activists in Chicago asked, ‘Where is the outrage’. The looters I saw wanted free stuff not social justice.
While this country is far from perfect it is far from needing to be burned down. There are too many looking for equality based on outcome which is impossible because we don’t all have the same God given talents or make the same decisions.
I’ll never know the hardships of being black. How will you know the hardships of being born poor and white. Statistics say we are more alike in opportunity than you think.
Check out Thomas Sowel’s video on systemic racism. He is smarter than both of us.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 3:27 pm to Pettifogger
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This is so typical.
You're not really questioning what the statistics show or cautioning us on relying solely on statistics. You're advocating for completely disregarding the statistics in favor of using some emotionally-driven, personal anecdote collection to tell us what the truth is.
Modern left, ladies and gentlemen. Remember this next time you're confused of being anti-science, anti-data, etc.
No I'm simply looking at what the cause of those statistics are. I'll give you a hint the fact that the people are black have nothing to do with crime at all.
People don't wake up and go well I'm black I guess I should go rob someone
The fact that it keeps getting brought up means a whole shite load of people think that the color of a persons skin directly affects crime rate. I.E. racism.
my question is simply do black people get treated differently (harsher) in interactions with police officers than white people.
That answer is yes. It doesn't matter as to why...at all...the answer should be no.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 3:28 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
Journalist fired for having journalistic integrity and reporting facts.
Welcome to the thought police.
Welcome to the thought police.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 3:29 pm to mindbreaker
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Regardless the real question is are black people treated and handled differently in interactions with police officers than white people. I honestly think they are because i don't think the thousands of black people who say they are, are lying to us just to do it
Saying they are treated differently implies that these thousands have a deep knowledge of how white people are treated. Are they getting that information from the Andy Griffith Show?
Posted on 6/25/20 at 3:32 pm to 20 ton
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would take the argument of black lives matter more serious if the black community took a realistic problem solving approach.
they are the MAJORITY is protesting peacefully and asking for equality. The fact you highlight the looting and violence just shows you are using the same old song and dance of applying the actions of the few to the many.
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Check out Thomas Sowel’s video on systemic racism. He is smarter than both of us.
And what makes him the authority. There are people smarter than him that say he is wrong and out of touch.
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