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re: Joe Mcknight's shooter, Ronald Gasser, released from custody
Posted on 12/2/16 at 4:52 pm to L.A.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 4:52 pm to L.A.
How the eff does a guy get released after shooting an unarmed man point blank in a road rage incident?
Well, if it's self-defense then it's going to be point blank.
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Posted on 12/2/16 at 4:54 pm to FATBOY TIGER
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doesn't look good for Mr. Mcknight at this point.
Ya think?
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:20 pm to Five0
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Can an old guy attack someone?
I wouldn't underestimate old man strength.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:22 pm to mwade91383
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Why would they let him go? Isn't he a flight risk, considering he's probably about to be charged w murder?
From what I've read, they have no evidence it was or was not self defense.
Can't just hold someone when no one is going to the police with statements or any evidence.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:30 pm to chalmetteowl
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The standard for self-defense is high (and it should be) so Gasser should have made damn sure his life was in danger... sitting in your car with a piece means you better make sure you see another piece before you shoot
No, your vehicle is considered an extension of your home. If an unarmed man was trying to enter your home, you can legally shoot him. Same thing in this case. From photos of the scene, we know:
Joe illegally parked his car in a travel lane, and left his vehicle to confront the shooter
Joe was acting aggressively, because the passenger side mirror of the shooters car was pushed in
The driver remained seated, and fired shots from within his car
. . . . So, if the driver testified that Joe tried to make a grab for the gun. Game over. No charges. He walks
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 12/2/16 at 5:35 pm to chalmetteowl
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I forgot in my post, UNARMED. So why does the gun come out? That should have ended things and no one would be dead.
Instead, he goes another step further and shoots it. That's where the line is crossed
If the guy went after him to physically harm him, I don't see the issue here. the guy was reportedly in his own property.
You let people just walk up in your house and frick with you?
Don't answer that.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 6:16 pm to RobbBobb
quote:why'd the white guy have his window down? them things are pretty damn hard to break for an unarmed man.
. . . . So, if the driver testified that Joe tried to make a grab for the gun. Game over. No charges. He walks
if i don't want to deal with an angry guy on my passenger side i just keep my window up and drive off at the first opportunity
Joe McKnight is dead. We can't judge him now. Now we are judging the actions of Ronald Gasser independent of anything Joe McKnight could have did.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 6:23 pm to chalmetteowl
that is just silly...Cant judge a dead man? sure you can...his behavior is the proximate cause of his death... Darwin Award Winner of 2016.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 6:25 pm to chalmetteowl
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why'd the white guy have his window down?
Window was partially down on drivers said. If shooter said that was the case on passenger side too, and Joe forced it down all the way? then more reason to be fearful?
Posted on 12/2/16 at 6:28 pm to mwade91383
I wonder how long it will take before they release the entire story? It's not like NOPD doesn't understand the sensitivity of this shooting fatality.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 6:29 pm to dcrews
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From what I've read, they have no evidence it was or was not self defense. Can't just hold someone when no one is going to the police with statements or any evidence.
Does the shooter have to pretty well prove his self defense to not even be charged? Like we know who shot who and that he's dead so it's not like they are having to prove he committed the act, now he has to defend why he did it
Posted on 12/2/16 at 6:38 pm to chalmetteowl
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why'd the white guy have his window down?
Maybe he was enjoying the cooler weather. Do you even try to think what it is you're typing before posting it?
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them things are pretty damn hard to break for an unarmed man.
No, no they are not.
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Joe McKnight is dead.
Good role model for you to keep in mind if you ever decide to keep it real with somebody you don't know.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 6:39 pm to TenTex
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I wonder how long it will take before they release the entire story? It's not like NOPD doesn't understand the sensitivity of this shooting fatality.
Didn't happen in New Orleans, made across the parish line by less than 100 yards. Which is probably good for all involved.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 6:46 pm to NoSaint
just look at La Civil/Common Law Code/Statutes and figure it out. Most States have "stand your ground" laws, most construed by state courts by this point.
I think Black Churches should begin a massive education campaign...Maybe rap artists can jingle up a rythym and shout the La Stand Your Ground Laws to hoodrats...
otherwise, keep dying from your own stupidity..
people are sick and damn tired of not being able to go down the street without rap, stares, gun shots etc from blacks.
Look at me funny at a red light and Percy gets ready...
Black encounters are just not predictable or reliable as civil agents in public places...
Hate it for ole joe but he wrote his own epitaph because of his own behavior... Did someone hold a gun to his head and force him to accost a citizen? No, decisions, free will inherently include consequences...something about Garden of Eden and fall of man... that includes ghetto rattlers too.
I think Black Churches should begin a massive education campaign...Maybe rap artists can jingle up a rythym and shout the La Stand Your Ground Laws to hoodrats...
otherwise, keep dying from your own stupidity..
people are sick and damn tired of not being able to go down the street without rap, stares, gun shots etc from blacks.
Look at me funny at a red light and Percy gets ready...
Black encounters are just not predictable or reliable as civil agents in public places...
Hate it for ole joe but he wrote his own epitaph because of his own behavior... Did someone hold a gun to his head and force him to accost a citizen? No, decisions, free will inherently include consequences...something about Garden of Eden and fall of man... that includes ghetto rattlers too.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:26 pm to PerCuriam
These:
Even so, it's ridiculous to not only make such a presumptious statement, but then to take it to the point that it was somehow reached the point where it was justifiable.
quote:shouldn't be lumped in with this:
rap, stares
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gun shots
quote:Wait! Do at have evidence that McKnight acted aggressively towards Gasser? So I've only seen a the statement from the witness who reported the opposite.
e it for ole joe but he wrote his own epitaph because of his own behavior... Did someone hold a gun to his head and force him to accost a citizen?
Even so, it's ridiculous to not only make such a presumptious statement, but then to take it to the point that it was somehow reached the point where it was justifiable.
quote:Why even say this? You seem to be using some unnecessarily racially-laden terminology here. .
that includes ghetto rattlers too.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:34 pm to chalmetteowl
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Joe McKnight is dead. We can't judge him now. Now we are judging the actions of Ronald Gasser independent of anything Joe McKnight could have did.
This is fricking retarded.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 7:55 pm to MrCarton
quote:It's quote a strange statement.
This is fricking retarded.
I mean the person with the gun, who the witness identified as the aggressor (although witness statements are often terrifyingly unreliable), and ended up killing the person without a gun, looks bad given this initial information.
But just as we know that it's usually bad idea to rush to definitive judgements, that goes for all parties involved--Gasser and McKnight.
But unfortunately people will take one side and disregard any context that can later clarify and unfortunately muddy the situation.
Sometimes though terrible things happen without cruel intentions from either side, regardless if it's enough to meet a criminal conviction or not.
Take the Trayvon and Zimmerman situation; people seem convinced one or the other was some bad person with evil intentions to hard or kill the other and deserve a terrible fate. Both made errors that worsened the situation, and both were probably in primal fear response mode. That doesn't mean either was "bad" or that either "deserved" a terrible fate; they were just flawed people in a stressful situation and the outcome was unfortunate all around.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:26 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:22 am to PsychTiger
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I wouldn't underestimate old man strength
Pro tip, old people will not waste time fighting you. They will just kill you.
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 1:00 am to dcrews
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From what I've read, they have no evidence it was or was not self defense.
Can't just hold someone when no one is going to the police with statements or any evidence.
Would the fact that Gasser was charged with assault after chasing down another motorist at the same intersection 10 years ago be relative?
At the time of the press conference, the sheriff wasn't sure if Gasser had a license to carry the gun. Is that something to consider?
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