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re: James Lindsay Opinion Piece on the Iran Deal

Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:00 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:00 pm to
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we dont need to


Then why did we quit and let Iran win the deal?

You've created this scenario where we held all the cards, Iran had no military, had no economy, and closing the SOH had no impact....and yet they got the better end of the deal?

Posted by The_Duke
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:02 pm to
Damn—-you presented a lot of pitfalls that had not been discussed yet.

Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:05 pm to
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It's a pseudo civil war.


Is it even really "pseudo"?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:07 pm to
I know the video passed around the echo chamber was proven to not be recent
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:08 pm to
I have no idea what you are referencing or how that answers my question.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:10 pm to
There was a video of supposed sectarian conflict among the Iranian regime passed around the echo chamber recently that was shown to be from a long time ago (ie, not showing actual conflict within the regime). It seems like wishcasting at this point from pro-MAGA people who hope there is a 7D chutes and ladders angle to the deal.
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 6:11 pm
Posted by supatigah
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:10 pm to
I will say this, your autism is exhausting and always has been

I dont have the time or patience to do this with you

all I will say is you are in some really deep water with speculation and bad propaganda laced facts

I think you dont understand the severity of what has happened to Iran and how long it will take them to recover

they were on the verge of collapse internally before Feb 28, 2026.

Please remember their protests in January and February were about the lack of drinking water in Tehran BEFORE the shite hit the fan

quote:

Iran is suffering through a historic "water bankruptcy" driven by decades of over-extraction, climate change, and recent infrastructure damages from conflict.

Major urban centers are near empty, and the situation threatens access to drinking water and energy for millions of people. The catastrophic drinking water shortage is defined by several critical factors:

Depleted Reservoirs: The capital city of Tehran—home to about 10 million people—has faced severe reservoir depletion, forcing officials to impose rolling water cuts, nightly rationing, and rely on public wells.

Other major hubs like Mashhad have seen reserves fall to dangerously low single digits.

Relocation Plans: The crisis has become so dire that Iranian officials have declared the need to begin a decades-long process of relocating the capital from arid Tehran to wetter coastal regions.

Systemic Overpumping: More than half a century of unsustainable policies have drained underground aquifers. The push for agricultural self-sufficiency has led to rampant well-sinking, accelerating saltwater intrusion and causing parts of Tehran to sink.

Climate and Conflict: The situation has been compounded by multi-year droughts and a significant reduction in winter snow cover. Furthermore, recent infrastructure damage from military operations has severely strained already fragile water and desalination treatment facilities.


if they are lucky we are looking at a Germany or Japan from 1945-1955 and those two countries had clean governments with a new attitude for recovery and resources to build from. Iran hasn't even had their Coup or even worse their Civil War yet

WTF does Iran have to build on?

bookmark this thread, come back in a year and let's see who is closer to the truth
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 6:12 pm
Posted by supatigah
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:13 pm to
quote:

Then why did we quit and let Iran win the deal?

You've created this scenario where we held all the cards, Iran had no military, had no economy, and closing the SOH had no impact....and yet they got the better end of the deal?



won the deal

ok buddy
Posted by rstamp1
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:13 pm to
The medium/long term result is the GCC’s are going to start building more pipelines and more countries will be buying oil from the US and South/Latin America which the US is going more influence over. This is going to leave Iran more exposed and unable to harm the world economy.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:14 pm to
quote:

they were on the verge of collapse internally before Feb 28, 2026.


I don't disagree. They're in a much better position now. Their long-term outlook is much better in June 2026 than January 2026. That's the problem with the war and this result.
quote:

Please remember their protests in January and February were about the lack of drinking water in Tehran BEFORE the shite hit the fan


And they killed 30k and both those protests and the murders amounted to no impact on the regime.

In fact, they continued to kill dissidents during the war.

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if they are lucky we are looking at a Germany or Japan from 1945-1955 and those two countries had clean governments with a new attitude for recovery and resources to build from. Iran hasn't even had their Coup or even worse their Civil War yet

We just empowered the fanatical regime both financially/economically (with the deal) and spiritually (with the stalemate in the war)

This dream of regime change should seem farther away now than in January 2026 looking at the totality.
Posted by Bourre
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:14 pm to
And you’ve proved my point in your first sentence that you are in fact, a pussy. You have offered nothing either, just bitching and complaining about your feelings.

Typical of mentally damaged leftist
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:16 pm to
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won the deal


They gave up nothing and gained a TON.

Why would the US give them all of that if they were in the position you keep trying to create? Why would we lift sanctions? Why would we even negotiate? It seems like we could just sit back and hope for the regime change you think is coming. We weren't expending lots of military resources and we supposedly controlled the SOH, so there is no reason why we couldn't just quarantine Iran until we got "unconditional surrender".
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:18 pm to
This guy is British/Syrian or something, but hates the west. But, he has been a good follow about how the U.S. has cornered energy markets and is relentless and usually gets what they want when they want to break a country. This may be a decade long on and off war/sanctions situation.
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Posted by LSUbest
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:21 pm to
Maybe quasi would be a better word.

Intense combat on a small scale and widely scattered.
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:24 pm to
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:34 pm to


is your new àvatar?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:45 pm to
Something this board is like 2 weeks late on
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 6:46 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:47 pm to
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I'm starting to think it's similar to Reagan's strategy that choked the Soviet Union
How TF am I supposed to treat anything after that with any seriousness?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:47 pm to
We're supposed to believe the Gulf States can contain Iran, and Iran was about to collapse, yet they still got such an amazing deal.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 6:53 pm to
The gulf states have luxury hotels. They will contain Iran. A few weeks ago someone asked what to do if they were Trump. I replied, talk to the gulf states that are losing tourism in their 5 star hotels..start with Kuwait.

Trump did. Money talks and BS walks.
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 6:54 pm
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