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Posted on 6/17/26 at 4:57 pm to CrystalPreserves
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You’re stupid” isn’t a defense of the article. Neither is “Biden.” Neither is “Democrats.” Let me know when you get to the part where you explain why “I don’t know what the plan is, but here’s my theory about the plan” is supposed to be persuasive.
Unfortunately, that's what this board has devolved into. Once a place for articulate debates and sound right wing opinions, is now a battleground of low IQ cult followers who only throw insults as their rebutt to anything that isn't favoring the master.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 4:59 pm to CrystalPreserves
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If my opinion is worthless, it should be incredibly easy to explain where it’s wrong
See, it's kind of akin to Hillary Clinton popping off about something. It doesn't matter if on a rare occasion she gets something right, it's that no one is going to give her the credit for it. Why? Because she has no credibility, at all.
And that's just where we are, with you.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 4:59 pm to OchoDedos
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Trump got played, wasted a lot of political capital, may never recover from rising fuel costs and its rippling effects. That's all you need to "chew" on. Nothing accomplished, nothing gained. Maybe the Iranians will give Trump the contract to build a Muslim themed resort....Allah World
interesting take
here is what I will say to counter. We were in a cold war with the Russians for 46 years and we eventually defeated them and caused a complete regime change by putting pressure and outspending them into oblivion
we have been in a cold war through sanctions and a pseudo hot war directly and through proxies with Iran for 47 years. Trump just ended the hot war piece and is now tightening the noose around their neck with participation from neighboring states.
Perhaps it was long past time to try something different? Try a strategy that worked on a MUCH tougher foe than Iran? Kick the strategy off with some military emasculation and then make them face the rest of the GCC without a functional military?
or what you said
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:04 pm to The_Duke
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Unfortunately, that's what this board has devolved into. Once a place for articulate debates and sound right wing opinions, is now a battleground of low IQ cult followers who only throw insults as their rebutt to anything that isn't favoring the master.
some dont have a bright future here to be honest
once you come to the attention of the board management that you have a tendency to shite all over the board for fun or because you are a mindless shill (either way - Dem or Rep) you tend to quietly disappear and then some join the alter ego whack a mole parade
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:07 pm to 3nOut
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i started highly ignoring James Lindsay about 2 years ago and haven't regretted it since.
I dont know who James Lindsay is
I dont really care who James Lindsay is
I thought this was an interesting take so I shared it
that's it, that's the list
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:09 pm to supatigah
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here is what I will say to counter. We were in a cold war with the Russians for 46 years and we eventually defeated them and caused a complete regime change by putting pressure and outspending them into oblivion
we have been in a cold war through sanctions and a pseudo hot war directly and through proxies with Iran for 47 years. Trump just ended the hot war piece and is now tightening the noose around their neck with participation from neighboring states.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:12 pm to supatigah
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So this plan might actually be meant to work this way against the Iranian Regime, with a few updated caveats because Trump's geopolitical strategy and Reagan's aren't the same, for good reasons. Trump's is not only likely better overall but learned from the mistakes and shortcomings of Reagan's.
The idea is that by having hit them militarily 13,000+ times and degraded their capabilities, military, and infrastructure to a very bad level, while apparently offering them a "golden bridge" out (Sun Tzu), including some rocketry capabilities, Iran's Regime is desperate, particularly economically.
This assumption is a bad one given how we saw the conflict play out.
The capabilities we destroyed weren't really necessary for Iran to defend itself once it shut down the SOH, wihch was the kill shot. And even with this degraded military, the Arab Gulf States could not do shite against Iran and were outmatched.
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totally contingent on good behavior,
I know this is being pushed, but is this in the Memo itself? Or is this in the hopeful details that haven't been finalized yet (and I imagine will neve be finalized)?
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at which point the snake will either tighten
The snake has shown it can't tighten Iran.
If it could, the deal would be closer to "unconditional surrender" as Trump put it previously, instead of such a great deal for Iran.
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Every time they betray the deal, which is apparently all based on investment money, not state transfers
He ignores the $100B in unfrozen assets and money made in a sanction-less environment. This along with the incorrect assessment of Gulf Strength v. Iran basically crater his point. He's reaching to create ways to make this deal seem good that simply aren't found in reality and what we saw in the war.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The capabilities we destroyed weren't really necessary for Iran to defend itself once it shut down the SOH,
WE blockaded the whole gulf. Iran wasn't in control of shite. Trump starved them into submission.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:45 pm to The_Duke
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Unfortunately, that's what this board has devolved into. Once a place for articulate debates and sound right wing opinions, is now a battleground of low IQ cult followers who only throw insults as their rebutt to anything that isn't favoring the master.
Go cry somewhere else, pussy. The poster I responded to offered no insights or opinions on the article that was posted. All that commie did was post a “let me save you time, here is what the article says based on my biased left-wing opinion”. Now you may be incapable of thinking for yourself, most democrats fit into this category, but I certainly don’t need some leftist telling me how to think.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The capabilities we destroyed weren't really necessary for Iran to defend itself once it shut down the SOH, wihch was the kill shot. And even with this degraded military, the Arab Gulf States could not do shite against Iran and were outmatched.
the Missile Cities don't exist any more bud
that was quite literally the backbone of their defense structure and they are pretty much gone
the ones watching the SOH were the last ones and they were destroyed in the three US Destroyers Ruse on May 7, 2026
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I know this is being pushed, but is this in the Memo itself? Or is this in the hopeful details that haven't been finalized yet (and I imagine will neve be finalized)?
from what I understand
the rebuilding is an investment and development deal - IE a business deal.
If iran is a shite bird, the money goes away.
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The snake has shown it can't tighten Iran.
If it could, the deal would be closer to "unconditional surrender" as Trump put it previously, instead of such a great deal for Iran.
Well one thing to consider
the Iran Conflict and the resulting actions have given countries and governments and businesses time to adapt to a sudden paradigm shift
A shift that makes Iran a paper tiger with a collapsed economy and a Zero Credit Score
KSA has shifted a lot of their exports to Jeddah
KSA has their main crude transport lines all wide open and running WEST
UAE is furiously building the crude oil pipeline from Habshan to the Port of Fujairah
The attack forces and missile batteries watching over SOH are gone, so the Maritime Insurance game is dead
The HAMAS and Hezbollah funding from the Iranian State has dried up
So what good are they? What is there to fear? Do they even matter any more?
That is all said before we even mention one days worth of Air Strikes on Kharg Island and two days worth of power plants and bridges strikes and Iran is trailing Burundi in the income per person per capita Hot 100 rankings
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He ignores the $100B in unfrozen assets and money made in a sanction-less environment.
100 billion is the equivalent of 20 days of what they were losing
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Iran is losing approximately $435 million to $500 million per day. These heavy daily financial losses are driven by maritime blockades in the Strait of Hormuz, heavy ongoing inflation, and sweeping international sanctions
what do you think that 100 billion is going to do? they are facing a ten year turnaround just on their currency collapse and inflation recovery
they have total shite infrastructure, Tehran is literally out of drinking water, a main resource that is declining value on the open market each day as crude oil futures fall
shite is going to get way worse in Iran before it even hopes to get better
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:48 pm to loogaroo
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WE blockaded the whole gulf.
And?
We couldn't get shipping through the SOH back to 2025 levels because of Iran.
What I posted is actually important and relevant to the conversation.
The US coming in and copying what Iran was doing was performative and symbolic, but not functional, unless our strategy was to neuter ourselves.
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Iran wasn't in control of shite
Then why couldn't we get shipping back to 2025 levels?
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:49 pm to CrystalPreserves
I called you out because you offered nothing of substance.
And I didn’t call you “stupid”. I called you a leftist cum-dumpster whose opinions are worthless. I stand by that correct statement
And I didn’t call you “stupid”. I called you a leftist cum-dumpster whose opinions are worthless. I stand by that correct statement
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:50 pm to Iowa Golfer
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There has been some reported tension inside the IRGC, up to and including some posted videos of weapons being fired.
And multiple explosions all attributed to various gas leaks.
It's a pseudo civil war.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Then why couldn't we get shipping back to 2025 levels?
Who said we were trying?
It was a blockade. Nothing was going in or out of there without Trump's blessing.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:52 pm to LSUbest
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It's a pseudo civil war.
This. That's why I quoted Supa above.
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:54 pm to Bourre
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Go cry somewhere else, pussy..
You prove my point in your very first sentence.
You guys are incapable of discussions without personal insults.
Typically a sign of low IQ
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:58 pm to supatigah
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the Missile Cities don't exist any more bud
that was quite literally the backbone of their defense structure and they are pretty much gone
a. can be rebuilt
b. ultimately didn't matter. Closing the SOH is their new defensive move.
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the rebuilding is an investment and development deal - IE a business deal.
If iran is a shite bird, the money goes away.
The latter part keeps getting repeated but I don't think it's in the MOU.
That's in the "will be negotiated but may be kicked down the road indefinitely" bucket of the MOU, along with the nuclear issue and several other major US points. The major positive points for Iran occur effectively automatically.
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the Iran Conflict and the resulting actions have given countries and governments and businesses time to adapt to a sudden paradigm shift
Not really. China could only subsidize the world for so long. If this kept going there was no backup option anymore.
Also, the long-term effects of Iran closing the SOH (in terms of fertilizer and reduced crop output) may cause major issues in the winter and 2027.
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A shift that makes Iran a paper tiger
How?
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with a collapsed economy and a Zero Credit Score
Their economy is about to be without sanctions for the first time in like 30 years AND they're about to get $100B in assets unfrozen AND they're about to get up to $300B in "investment" (from countries who have proven to be weaker than Iran and can't force repayment if it comes to that down the road).
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KSA has their main crude transport lines all wide open and running WEST
UAE is furiously building the crude oil pipeline from Habshan to the Port of Fujairah
As I said earlier, it's race to see if they can complete these pipeline infrastructure projects faster than Iran can rebuild and get nukes OR just an offensive military. The Gulf States have shown they are completely impotent in dealing with Iran themselves, which is why Lindsay calling them some constricting force is laughable.
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So what good are they? What is there to fear? Do they even matter any more?
If they are so weak, how did they get such an amazing deal for Iran?
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100 billion is the equivalent of 20 days of what they were losing
This board melted over $1.7B. Claimed it allowed Iran to fund its terror network for more than a decade. Now 58x that is a nothingburger?
Iran is about to be making $1-2B a week now that it has a sanction-less environment, on top of the $100B and on top of the $300B
This is all after they held the combined forces of the US, Israel, and Arab Gulf States to a stalemate (at worst) WITH the depleted military post-initial bombing.
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
you are committing a major fallacy here
we dont need to, the importance of the SOH has been dramatically cut down due to the market and countries affected adapting to the new world order
the biggest free port affected by the US Blockade was Dammam, KSA, The Free Zone in UAE and Doha.
So the Saudis shifted everything they could to Jeddah via
rail
pipelines
trucking
they helped the Kuwaitis, Qataris and UAE do the same thing
when Trump said he allowed 100 million barrels of crude through, whose crude do you think it was?
Answer Qatar and UAE, his new buddies and their tankers that were hung up nearest the SOH
the worst thing that could have happened has happened, the world had time to adjust and now the SOH has way less importance and relevance in the big picture
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Then why couldn't we get shipping back to 2025 levels?
we dont need to, the importance of the SOH has been dramatically cut down due to the market and countries affected adapting to the new world order
the biggest free port affected by the US Blockade was Dammam, KSA, The Free Zone in UAE and Doha.
So the Saudis shifted everything they could to Jeddah via
rail
pipelines
trucking
they helped the Kuwaitis, Qataris and UAE do the same thing
when Trump said he allowed 100 million barrels of crude through, whose crude do you think it was?
Answer Qatar and UAE, his new buddies and their tankers that were hung up nearest the SOH
the worst thing that could have happened has happened, the world had time to adjust and now the SOH has way less importance and relevance in the big picture
Posted on 6/17/26 at 5:59 pm to loogaroo
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Who said we were trying?
Then you have to answer why we were committing suicide.
That's a much more difficult question to answer and makes Trump look worse.
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. Nothing was going in or out of there without Trump's blessing.
So you're going with suicide. Got it.
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