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re: James Lindsay Opinion Piece on the Iran Deal

Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:49 pm to
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:49 pm to
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But yeah, we definately don't need the SOH opened.... not important anymore.


It's over. Oil will get out of the Persian Gulf in other ways now. Think long term.

China can buy from us if they are that married to Iranian oil.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:50 pm to
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It's over. Oil will get out of the Persian Gulf in other ways now. Think long term.



Why didn't we continue to sit on the SOH if it means nothing? Get a better deal?
Posted by Taxing Authority
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:51 pm to
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the "No the US controlled the strait" narrative is foolish.

China put in a lot of work to keep oil somewhat stable, but they couldn't keep that up in perpetuity.
All confirmed by Trump's own posts. But if you or anyone else says it it's "TDS! You Kamala lover!"
Posted by Taxing Authority
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:52 pm to
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It's over. Oil will get out of the Persian Gulf in other ways now. Think long term.
Weird it's included in the deal.

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China can buy from us if they are that married to Iranian oil.
sarcasm? The MOU lifts all oil sales sanctions.
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 8:00 pm
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 7:57 pm to
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I think the Israelis will probably be the ones to fill that gap over the next year or two. And foment a Iranian civil war.


I think that depends on the investment opportunities in Iran and if the right investors fill the void.
Posted by joshnorris14
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 8:10 pm to
This piece does not speak to the fact that Iran was able to leverage all their gains from the deal via control of the Straight of Hormuz and can, at any point, exert said control again.

Until something is done to hinder their ability from doing that, they'll be in a position of strength.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 8:21 pm to
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This piece does not speak to the fact that Iran was able to leverage all their gains from the deal via control of the Straight of Hormuz and can, at any point, exert said control again.


The NPC talking points are out and they say the SOH has no value anymore and had no impact on this deal.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 8:23 pm to
A lot has to happen before investment portfolios are relevant lol
Posted by Sams Crow
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 8:28 pm to
It's almost too much to bear isn't it, for the US to come off looking good.
Back in your hole.
Posted by Sams Crow
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 8:36 pm to
In your world, does "low IQ cult followers" qualify as "throwing an insult"?
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 9:13 pm to
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The problem with this is it means that people have to admit Iran's SOH strategy was effective, and the "No the US controlled the strait" narrative is foolish.





looks pretty controlled to me

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 9:30 pm to
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looks pretty controlled to me


Then why couldn't we get transport rates through the strait back to 2025 levels?

The inability to do this broke the US and brought us to the negotiating table, mind you.
This post was edited on 6/17/26 at 9:31 pm
Posted by Caplewood
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 9:34 pm to
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IMO Lindsay is one of the best political commentators. He isn’t some retarded hysterical conspiracy theorist “influencer”



Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 9:48 pm to
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Then why couldn't we get transport rates through the strait back to 2025 levels? The inability to do this broke the US and brought us to the negotiating table, mind you.


USN shut it down



all the way down

shut down = controlled

and apparently the USN secretly snuck through 100mm barrels on supertankers and nobody knew

because the USN controlled it

there are tons of videos on YT on what actually happened May 7 if you care to watch

that was the day we took absolute control of the SOH by destroying the bandar abbas missile city and the underground fast boat lauches

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 9:51 pm to
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and apparently the USN secretly snuck through 100mm barrels on supertankers and nobody knew


So during this entire time we purported controlled the SOH, we snuck 5 days worth of oil? That's all?

Again, my question was:

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Then why couldn't we get transport rates through the strait back to 2025 levels?


That's about 20M/day, mind you. That's what's necessary for the global economy to run
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 9:58 pm to
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The inability to do this broke the US and brought us to the negotiating table, mind you.


see I disagree, I think what actually happened was we choked iran enough

they have not sold any oil since april
they are out of storage since early may
they are shutting in production they may not get back
they are drowning in oil they cant sell
they dont have water for 10 million people
they are paralyzed economically

looks to me when the USN seized total control of SOH access in and out we proved a point that Iran fully understood on May 7 2026

the next step was destroying the loading docks at Kharg, but that would have lead to total collapse and a lot more dead civillians because iran would have zero path to recovery

I think the US brought them to the precipice and now we are taking off the chokehold, rolling them on their side and seeing what they will do
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:07 pm to
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That's about 20M/day, mind you. That's what's necessary for the global economy to run


no
that is what it used to take because that is the way it was set up

not any more

strangely enough the world seemed to adapt and move on

I think the 100mm was a bone for QATAR or UAE to be honest
I dont think it means much beyond we can do what we want to do and you cant stop it messaging


this whole thing was about nukes and leverage, we destroyed their nukes and systemstically neutralized their leverage

with a desire to force them to negotiate in some semblance of good faith to see what they will do

FTR I have been over there numerous times, do business in the MEA right now and can tell you the only way to get an Arab to agree to a fair deal is to let them think they won the deal. The Islamic culture is built on perception of power and control, even when they dont have it they think they do

always

Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 6/17/26 at 10:23 pm to
FTR West Texas and NM crude are wide open and crude pipelines are at max capacity
I was in league city at marathon last week and all of the talk was Texas Coast refineries that can run venezuelan crude are wide open

crews are everywhere in port of houston, galveston, corpus etc doing maintenance and refurb

corpus is receiving heavy crude shipments from SAM almost daily
look at the shipping maps of the GOA and look at the supertankers going in and out

the world is adapting, when iran’s crude comes fully onto the market, crude futures are going to continue to tumble

that is before UAE finishes their pipeline

KSA rail and trucks and pipelines are all flowing to jeddah

the SOH artificial dam has been broken, opening it fully to trade normalizes everything else like fertilizer, petro chem etc

what do you think trump and Xi really talked about? china buying us crude and Trump’s plan to return global trade to normalcy so china can try to regroup
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