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re: It's insane that Republicans can not appeal to Hispanics
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:08 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:08 pm to OMLandshark
It goes beyond trump.
Ronald Reagan and HW Bush were very pro-immigrant and supported amnesty, and neither did much better than trump with hispanics.
Even Dwight Eisenhower, in his 2 landslide victories, only got 30% of the hispanic vote.
There are 2 BIG factors that explain why hispanics vote democrat.
1) they are poorer than the average american. Hispanics are more reliant on medicaid, section 8 housing, and other social programs than the average american. This means they have a financial stake involved in their voting habits.
2) They are urban. In our cities, the democratic party is very powerful and it has a strong brand. The democrats mobilize urban voters.
It's the same reason why the blacks, who are very socially conservative, vote democrat.
Ronald Reagan and HW Bush were very pro-immigrant and supported amnesty, and neither did much better than trump with hispanics.
Even Dwight Eisenhower, in his 2 landslide victories, only got 30% of the hispanic vote.
There are 2 BIG factors that explain why hispanics vote democrat.
1) they are poorer than the average american. Hispanics are more reliant on medicaid, section 8 housing, and other social programs than the average american. This means they have a financial stake involved in their voting habits.
2) They are urban. In our cities, the democratic party is very powerful and it has a strong brand. The democrats mobilize urban voters.
It's the same reason why the blacks, who are very socially conservative, vote democrat.
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:10 pm to OMLandshark
Hispanics are not a monolithic voting block. Mexicans will not necessarily vote like Cubans or Puerto Ricans etc.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:11 pm to OMLandshark
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So last week I watched Coco, and I think it is one of the greatest conservative message films ever made.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:12 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Even Dwight Eisenhower, in his 2 landslide victories, only got 30% of the hispanic vote.
So, 6 out of 20?
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:16 pm to OMLandshark
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Unless you're an Alt-Right scumbag who thinks brown people can't have the same values as white people
Nobody thinks that.
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Why can't Republicans appeal to Hispanics? They virtually have no values in common with the Democrats and are actually more conservative than the average white person. It should be a no-brainer for most Hispanic people given their values system to vote Republican
Then why don’t they vote for Republicans? If their conservative values matter to them, why do they vote for abortion and gay marriage?
Answer that question.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:20 pm to Iosh
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They can, they'll just lose in the primary.
The top 3 candidates, 2 of them were Hispanic. Also had a black guy, a woman...an eccentric billionaire.
Libertarians had 2 weird white guys who don’t know shite about life let alone the world
Democrats had all white (and old) candidates.
Republicans don’t appeal to Hispanics because the base they do have (which greatly dwarfs Hispanic voters) doesn’t approve of mass illegal immigration. Democrats use that to say they’re racist and it’s proven quite effective. Hispanic immigrants (legal) also come from socialist countries that are rife with corruption. They come here and vote Democrat because that’s the only option within their wheelhouse of political familiarity.
You don’t blow off your base for a chance to chip away and get some percentage points of a much smaller voting group with whom you have a lot of convincing to do. The last election pretty much blew a fricking hole in the political consensus that you MUST appeal to Hispanics to win or be relevant.
Hispanics are going to kill him in all these states like NC (
) and Florida...whoops, guess notThis post was edited on 11/27/17 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:23 pm to OMLandshark
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They virtually have no values in common with the Democrats and are actually more conservative than the average white person.
ever been to El Salvador or Mexico...or Guatemala. Government run healthcare, free education, etc. they have so much common ground. 
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:26 pm to OMLandshark
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It's insane that Republicans can not appeal to Hispanics
Republicans should be able to attract working class Hispanics and I would hypothesize the already do except for your globalists GOPe candidates. With that said Republicans do not attract poor Hispanics for the same reasons they do not attract poor people in general. That's why the demographic that Democrats want to import into this country is "poor" and not necessarily Hispanic. It just so happens that poor Hispanics are in high supply and easier for Dems (and some Reps) to recruit.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:28 pm to OMLandshark
quote:everything you just said has been political dogma for 15 years. You’re acting as if it’s a fresh idea because it was just blown to shite.
Republicans also need to realize that this country isn't getting any whiter and start appealing directly to Hispanics.
Also, why is enforcing immigration law a deal breaker for Hispanics? How far would you be willing to go to just get that vote?
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:29 pm to OMLandshark
More Hispanics will vote Republican than blacks will, but many of them see themselves as outsiders in this country and the Dems have been good about branding themselves as the party of the outsider, the minority, and the victim. Many are poor and Dem policies favor the poor, at least superficially.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:35 pm to FooManChoo
Hispanics come from countries that are so far to the left of even our left, and they don't necessarily see a cause and effect relationship to policy and the violence and poverty they're fleeing.
plus, your parents came here illegally, so you're going to vote for the candidate who says your parents can stay. it's a single issue voter and a perverse incentive the democrats have created by offering to not uphold existing law. it's a perverse incentive that exists because their parents came here illegally.
I don't even blame them for voting democrat, but even beyond that issue, democrats align with policy and a view of government that is the only thing they know.
plus, your parents came here illegally, so you're going to vote for the candidate who says your parents can stay. it's a single issue voter and a perverse incentive the democrats have created by offering to not uphold existing law. it's a perverse incentive that exists because their parents came here illegally.
I don't even blame them for voting democrat, but even beyond that issue, democrats align with policy and a view of government that is the only thing they know.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:37 pm to uway
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Nobody thinks that.
Well that’s the definition of being a member of the Alt-Right.
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Then why don’t they vote for Republicans? If their conservative values matter to them, why do they vote for abortion and gay marriage?
Because Democrats have them hoodwinked and the Republicans (at least until Trump) have been two big of pussies to call them liars.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:47 pm to DelU249
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everything you just said has been political dogma for 15 years. You’re acting as if it’s a fresh idea because it was just blown to shite.
I’ve been ranting about it for years, but that movie is the argument put to film. Everyone loves it. It’s one of the most conservative movies of the past 20 years.
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Also, why is enforcing immigration law a deal breaker for Hispanics? How far would you be willing to go to just get that vote?
I’m just saying this is shooting ourselves in the foot. If they’re worthless and living off the taxpayers and/or committing crimes, then kick them out. If they’re productive members of society, then put them in the back of the line and force them to get on the path to citizenship if they are to stay.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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There are 2 BIG factors that explain why hispanics vote democrat.
1) they are poorer than the average american. Hispanics are more reliant on medicaid, section 8 housing, and other social programs than the average american. This means they have a financial stake involved in their voting habits.
2) They are urban. In our cities, the democratic party is very powerful and it has a strong brand. The democrats mobilize urban voters.
It's the same reason why the blacks, who are very socially conservative, vote democrat.
Except your reasons could apply to every other immigrant group who now vote republican (Irish, Italian, eastern European). Immigrants have kids and those kids are successful. Those kids and their kids become republicans.
That said, Trump really pushed back the natural shift of wealthier, successful hispanics to the Republican party.
Maybe we can focus on Asians instead. Fertile ground imho.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:06 pm to OMLandshark
quote:see the thing about laws is you cannot make up arbitrary reasons that dictate when you apply it and when you do not.
If they’re worthless and living off the taxpayers and/or committing crimes, then kick them out.
and yes, while your reasoning does have function, it is an arbitrary standard for enforcing the law. and you can claim that it's practical but when you decide a law can just be ignored, you're opening Pandora's box.
you talk about principles and intellectual consistency (and admire those who you believe fit that description like maher and shapiro)
but here you're declaring getting votes to be your philosophical and principled motivation for policy platform. and to describe ignoring existing federal law as policy is being generous.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:08 pm to OMLandshark
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Well that’s the definition of being a member of the Alt-Right.
Says you. And they call you cucked. Let’s all just label each other and accomplish nothing.
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Because Democrats have them hoodwinked and the Republicans (at least until Trump) have been two big of pussies to call them liars
Because they are voting their tribal interest. They are pro-Hispanic. They actually do want to turn America brown. They want to impose their culture and know they need more numbers to do it.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:11 pm to Hooligan's Ghost
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why shouldn't politicians including Republicans just do what is right regardless of race, gender, religion etc. shouldn't the right thing to do have broad appeal? why recommend to pander to any group?
NO!
What doing what is right has very little appeal in todays world.
If it did we wouldn't need Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, ACA Earned income Tax credits, HUD, and a whole host of other Government intrusions on our lives and wallets.
People would take individual responsibility for their own lives.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:12 pm to OMLandshark
quote:did it ever occur to you that they're not stupid and perhaps voting for policies with which they agree?
Democrats have them hoodwinked
maybe they have things prioritized a little differently and they don't care as much as you think they do about trans bathroom bills when they're on the table with healthcare, education, taxes, etc.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:21 pm to uway
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Says you.
Says Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, and Milo Yiannopolis. I thought for a second that I was quasi Alt-Right because I liked frog memes, but I was just ignorant on the definition of Alt-Right. Even Milo agrees with this (not accusing him of being Alt-Right). You may be Alt-Light which I think people like Milo and Gavin McGuiness are, but Alt-Right are people who actively believe in racial superiority.
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Because they are voting their tribal interest. They are pro-Hispanic. They actually do want to turn America brown. They want to impose their culture and know they need more numbers to do it.
The average second generation Hispanic I don’t think believes in this.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:25 pm to OMLandshark
Republicans made their choice around 2006 and re-affirmed it in 2016.
There was a moment in 2006 where the Bush administration and moderates were trying to use what was left of their political capital to advance an immigration reform agenda. Amnesty for those here, reform the system for those that want to come here, continue strengthening border security, and make appeals on the basis of empathy and shared social values to strengthen the Hispanic coalition the administration had built.
The xenophobes went to war with the moderate reformists and won the day. And they have won the day ever since. And it looks like they are going to win the day with the party for at least the foreseeable future.
There was a moment in 2006 where the Bush administration and moderates were trying to use what was left of their political capital to advance an immigration reform agenda. Amnesty for those here, reform the system for those that want to come here, continue strengthening border security, and make appeals on the basis of empathy and shared social values to strengthen the Hispanic coalition the administration had built.
The xenophobes went to war with the moderate reformists and won the day. And they have won the day ever since. And it looks like they are going to win the day with the party for at least the foreseeable future.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 1:45 pm
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