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It's insane that Republicans can not appeal to Hispanics
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:48 am
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:48 am
So last week I watched Coco, and I think it is one of the greatest conservative message films ever made. It’s all about endorsing the importance of family values, respecting your elders, holding up traditions, respect for religious beliefs, and how music can bring people together. It is every bit as conservative as the Incredibles is. Unless you're an Alt-Right scumbag who thinks brown people can't have the same values as white people or an SJW who thinks it's outrageous to say most Mexicans like tequila, then you should all enjoy it.
Which brings me to the subject: Why can't Republicans appeal to Hispanics? They virtually have no values in common with the Democrats and are actually more conservative than the average white person. It should be a no-brainer for most Hispanic people given their values system to vote Republican.
Republicans also need to realize that this country isn't getting any whiter and start appealing directly to Hispanics. Marco Rubio was a good start on that, and I think he still has a decent shot at being President one day. It shouldn't be that hard to just say that the Democrats are full of shite and do really nothing that interests you politically.
But Republicans also need to stop with the mass deportations and Wall talk. I agree with the Wall concept in principle, but if they can cross the Rio Grande, they can get over a 20-30 foot wall. I'm just not sure the cost and demagoguery are going to be worth it in the end when I think they'll still get across. The legal Hispanics also aren't going to be all that happy with the Republicans if they throw grandpa back over the border. If they are worthless and living off of the state, then yeah, throw them back. But if they are here providing a service for the economy, then just put them at the back of the line on the path to citizenship.
Obviously this strategy isn't going to work if Trump decides to run for reelection in 2020, but they have to hit the ground running in 2024 with this if they hope not to go extinct. I see no reason it shouldn't work if you get in a battle of ideas with the Democrats.
Which brings me to the subject: Why can't Republicans appeal to Hispanics? They virtually have no values in common with the Democrats and are actually more conservative than the average white person. It should be a no-brainer for most Hispanic people given their values system to vote Republican.
Republicans also need to realize that this country isn't getting any whiter and start appealing directly to Hispanics. Marco Rubio was a good start on that, and I think he still has a decent shot at being President one day. It shouldn't be that hard to just say that the Democrats are full of shite and do really nothing that interests you politically.
But Republicans also need to stop with the mass deportations and Wall talk. I agree with the Wall concept in principle, but if they can cross the Rio Grande, they can get over a 20-30 foot wall. I'm just not sure the cost and demagoguery are going to be worth it in the end when I think they'll still get across. The legal Hispanics also aren't going to be all that happy with the Republicans if they throw grandpa back over the border. If they are worthless and living off of the state, then yeah, throw them back. But if they are here providing a service for the economy, then just put them at the back of the line on the path to citizenship.
Obviously this strategy isn't going to work if Trump decides to run for reelection in 2020, but they have to hit the ground running in 2024 with this if they hope not to go extinct. I see no reason it shouldn't work if you get in a battle of ideas with the Democrats.
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:49 am to OMLandshark
quote:They can, they'll just lose in the primary.
Which brings me to the subject: Why can't Republicans appeal to Hispanics?
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:51 am to OMLandshark
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It’s all about endorsing the importance of family values, respecting your elders, holding up traditions, respect for religious beliefs, and how music can bring people together
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how music can bring people together
How is that last one a Conservative value?
I'd say you're on point with the first three, but respect for religious beliefs isn't particularly up there and music... music? Huh?
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:51 am to OMLandshark
It's circumstantial IMO.
If not for Trump being in the race and scorching the Hispanic earth, Rubio or Jeb! would have done as well with Hispanics as Bush did in 2000 if they had won the GOP nomination and run their GOPe-approved, inclusive campaign.
The problem is they wouldn't have changed the dynamic with the working class white baws in OH, MI, WI, MN, IA, PA that Trump did.
The longer-term problem is that while Hispanics are conservative on some issues, they are also very socialist on financial issues. They want big government and cradle to grave healthcare for themselves and their 30 family members. And they are easier to radicalize and shift leftwards (look at how different the Hispanics in CA and NV are compared to the Hispanics in Tejas and FL).
If not for Trump being in the race and scorching the Hispanic earth, Rubio or Jeb! would have done as well with Hispanics as Bush did in 2000 if they had won the GOP nomination and run their GOPe-approved, inclusive campaign.
The problem is they wouldn't have changed the dynamic with the working class white baws in OH, MI, WI, MN, IA, PA that Trump did.
The longer-term problem is that while Hispanics are conservative on some issues, they are also very socialist on financial issues. They want big government and cradle to grave healthcare for themselves and their 30 family members. And they are easier to radicalize and shift leftwards (look at how different the Hispanics in CA and NV are compared to the Hispanics in Tejas and FL).
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 11:54 am
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:53 am to OMLandshark
why shouldn't politicians including Republicans just do what is right regardless of race, gender, religion etc.
shouldn't the right thing to do have broad appeal?
why recommend to pander to any group?
shouldn't the right thing to do have broad appeal?
why recommend to pander to any group?
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:55 am to Hooligan's Ghost
You have to pander or you will necessarily lose voters.
Hillary pandered to everybody but white men. She got crushed by white men.
TRUMP pandered to white men and blue collar workers and Evangelicals but excluded Hispanics. He got crushed by Hispanics.
You can't tick every box - you have to make choices.
Hillary pandered to everybody but white men. She got crushed by white men.
TRUMP pandered to white men and blue collar workers and Evangelicals but excluded Hispanics. He got crushed by Hispanics.
You can't tick every box - you have to make choices.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:55 am to OMLandshark
if you are in this country illegally, no matter what your color, sex, or religion, you have to go.
Do it right or don't do it. period.
Do it right or don't do it. period.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:57 am to OMLandshark
Because Democrats have successfully painted the Republican Party as the party of the White man.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:58 am to OMLandshark
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So last week I watched Coco,
Your post is filled with so much bs its amazing
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:58 am to SirWinston
I think Marco can and will be president for his ability to connect with all the above. Don’t get me wrong, he made mistakes m, but I think next go around he will be ready. He needs to slow his roll on immigration and he can will easily.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:58 am to OMLandshark
It's more insane that Hispanics believe the Demtard lies
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:59 am to skrayper
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I'd say you're on point with the first three, but respect for religious beliefs isn't particularly up there and music... music? Huh?
Whatever. That was a part of the movie that I liked.
And Miguel mocked his family over their belief in Day of the Dead, and he was wrong, so that's more where I'm saying respect religious beliefs.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:00 pm to OMLandshark
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Republicans also need to realize that this country isn't getting any whiter and start appealing directly to Hispanics.
This is known as the 'Jeb Bush Doctrine.' It doesn't work.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:01 pm to OMLandshark
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Whatever. That was a part of the movie that I liked.
I haven't seen the movie; this wasn't a critique of the music itself. It was just that you listed music as a particularly conservative value - and I just found it odd.
If it's a good movie, I'll probably go see it. Awesome little theater in the town I live in, love seeing movies like that in it.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:02 pm to SirWinston
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TRUMP pandered to white men and blue collar workers and Evangelicals but excluded Hispanics. He got crushed by Hispanics.
This is actually one of the single most surprising statistics from the election, but Trump actually did better with the Hispanics than Mitt Romney did, which is especially shocking given that Romney is Hispanic.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:05 pm to Zach
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This is known as the 'Jeb Bush Doctrine.' It doesn't work.
Jeb was fricking Fredo of the Bush Clan. I'm not going to use him as any definitive proof, because his biggest flaw is he is weak, and he would have never been elected to any major office if his last name wasn't Bush. Can't say the same for W, the Sonny of the Bush Clan.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:06 pm to OMLandshark
I love Hispanics, especially the conservative Christian ones! I'm all for them moving here, they just have to do it LEGALLY! 
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:07 pm to iamAG
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I think Marco can and will be president for his ability to connect with all the above. Don’t get me wrong, he made mistakes m, but I think next go around he will be ready. He needs to slow his roll on immigration and he can will easily.
Plus he's young. Of people I'm currently aware of, I'd put Rubio as the most likely next Republican President. Ted Cruz is just too loathsome of an individual even by members of his own party to be elected by America at large.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:07 pm to OMLandshark
Is this a troll? It's filled with silly liberal platitudes and hot air
Yeah Mexicans can be republicans all they want but I don't want a Mexican president
The problem with politics is that other races only want to vote for people that look like them whereas a good chunk of white people will vote for some other race just to look "hip" and "with it"
Yeah Mexicans can be republicans all they want but I don't want a Mexican president
The problem with politics is that other races only want to vote for people that look like them whereas a good chunk of white people will vote for some other race just to look "hip" and "with it"
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:07 pm to dantes69
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if you are in this country illegally, no matter what your color, sex, or religion, you have to go.
Agree but Hispanics, generally speaking, are going to remain sympathetic to those here illegally. People are here illegally basically for economic reasons.
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