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re: It's a Smart Move to Not Try to Use US Navy to Open the Strait
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:51 am to geoag58
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:51 am to geoag58
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Europeans have shirked their defensesive duties at the expense of the US taxpayer since the end of WW2. It is time they re-engage, it will be better for everyone in the long run.
This right here. Why is it incumbent upon us to factor in the EU's needs when they do absolutely nothing for us? Why is it our job to make sure they have cheaper fuel?
They overplayed their hand and should have showed less arse early on. Like this war or not, they have more direct dependencies on ME oil than we do. But it's in vogue for their chirpy little leaders to talk shite and puff their chests out.
Ok, then. You badasses can take care of this and Ukraine, too, while you're at it.
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Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:53 am to Powerman
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The question then becomes...why would they put their own naval assets at risk when they had nothing to do with this war?
because they use the fricking oil
If nobody cares why even reopen it?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 11:57 am to Solo Cam
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I thought Trump said they were decimated though
He never says we destroyed every drone and missile they have.
And they likely have 100s or 1000s of artillery guns that we haven’t targeted at all.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 11:59 am
Posted on 4/2/26 at 12:00 pm to Techdave
Trump is about to wipe Iran off the map. and it's long overdue!
Posted on 4/2/26 at 12:02 pm to Willie Stroker
Because producers in the US are going to sell where they can make the most money. Did you even take a high school level economics course?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 12:27 pm to Solo Cam
quote:The South was decimated, and then Lincoln was assassinated. Japan was decimated, and then sank the Indianapolis. The fact that Iran is decimated is not open for legitimate dispute. That doesn't mean we need to open ourselves up for a lucky shot.
I thought Trump said they were decimated though
Posted on 4/2/26 at 4:08 pm to Techdave
Not disputing that. But considering we have B-52's running sorties on Tehran and A-10 all over the skies of the straits, I don't think the worst case scenario is a reasonable expectation anymore. We can sterilize that whole coast line if we want to. But that won't hold it forever and they'll be terrorizing again. We would have a very hard time stopping them 100% unless the government changed and became friendly.
That's an entirely possible scenario btw.
That's an entirely possible scenario btw.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 4:31 pm to Techdave
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In addition you are now within range of conventional artillery. Which cannot be intercepted or shot down at all.
Looks like CIWS would indeed be able to intercept conventional artillery, so think you’re off base
Posted on 4/2/26 at 4:45 pm to Willie Stroker
If we don’t need their oil and have our own supply. Couldn’t we pay a domestic price and not the global price?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 4:50 pm to Techdave
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Iran would like nothing more than to see massive US ships passing through the Strait of Hormuz, within striking range..... They would launch 50 drones and missiles at the same time to sink a US ship.
Didn’t Donald and pete say weeks ago that the e decimated their military to complete ineffectiveness?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 5:23 pm to TechBullDawg
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The US has oil and we need to uncouple from world markets to bring cost to us down
Setting aside the anti-capitalistic issues that idea presents, there is another big issue with energy independence. Where are we going to get the extra-heavy sour crude our refineries are set up for, or where are the incentives or other persuasion for refinery owners to make the switch?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 5:30 pm to GTnerd
quote:Trump does not miscalculate often, and NEVER badly
The one who miscalculated badly (or not at all) is trump
Posted on 4/2/26 at 5:31 pm to Techdave
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They would launch 50 drones and missiles at the same time
They're not guaranteed to have 50 drones and missiles at their disposal at this point.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 5:44 pm to VoxDawg
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They're not guaranteed to have 50 drones and missiles at their disposal at this point.
They probably definitely have 50 drones at minimum. If Intel suggested they were out of ammo then they wouldn't be able to control passage through the strait to begin with. I would not be shocked if they still had drones in the thousands.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 5:52 pm to deltaland
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I think Trumps point is we don’t rely on oil that comes through there. The only benefit to us patrolling it to keep it open is lower oil prices
Is that worth spending billions more in taxpayer dollars and risking naval assets? Not really. It’s why Trump wants allies to send assets to open it because they benefit more than we do
maybe trump should've thought of all of that before launching this stupid war.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:03 pm to Icansee4miles
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Did you even take a high school level economics course?
Wait…you think I went to high school?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:11 pm to Techdave
Just carpet bomb the damn island and be done with it.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:26 pm to Icansee4miles
Thank god someone here has a working brain. I’m so fricking tired of the “we” have oil bullshite. Unless you own the controlling interest in a multinational oil company, then “we” don’t have oil. Last I checked, the US government owned zero drilling rigs and zero refineries. The only thing you should expect is to pay whatever someone else in the entire fricking world will pay minus the cost of transportation for fuel and petroleum products. Global business runs by maximizing revenue not patriotism.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:15 pm to Techdave
A strike group has 7 to 11 CIWS not 1 or 2. Currently the Naval ships there have 18 CIWS total. I think they would be fine handling 10 rounds. Are they even sure they have enough to fire that many currently?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:20 pm to GTnerd
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It’s already open to them, they are strategic allies of Iran
Right.
Which can very easily lead to other nations forging stronger diplomatic ties with Iran if we just leave. Countries who need oil that goes through Hormuz would best start cutting deals with Iran if we leave with the Iranian regime in place.
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