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re: It seems Mamoud khalil will likely win his immigration court hearing.

Posted on 4/10/25 at 5:45 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/10/25 at 5:45 pm to
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if the Government could cough up some evidence that he has terrorist ties
Not necessary. Are you familiar with his activities at Columbia?
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 4/10/25 at 5:51 pm to
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Well that's their whole argument.


It appears to satisfy the statutory requirements.

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Now on a personal level, here's what bothers me about this. By granting him permanent US resident status, the government is essentially saying this...

You can live your entire life in the US. You can marry, you can work here, buy a home here and pay taxes here but you're going to have to live under a diluted set rights.


I don't have a real problem with that.

But what do you think about the fact that he just became a permanent resident a few months ago? In fact, his true status is "conditional permanent resident." It's not like this guy had been here for 8 years and never caused trouble.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 5:52 pm to
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Not necessary. Are you familiar with his activities at Columbia?


Yeah and so is the Government, and they haven't produced anything to the immigration court (other than his protestations) that he's done anything that rises to the level of deportation.

Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 4/10/25 at 5:58 pm to
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I would be all for it if the Government could provide to the court system with any evidence at all that he's a terrorist, linked to a terrorist group or in some way supported a terrorist group through word or action.


They won’t. Other than the admin making unsubstantiated claims and some idiot right wing, pro-Zionist propagandists making up stuff that Trump lemmings automatically believe when there is no evidence, the argument is “if someone disagrees with our foreign policy, they are going to be kicked out” which goes against the protections in the first amendement.

Further, many people don’t seem to understand that legal immigrants do have protections and rights. The argument is if illegal immigrants do. Of course, the racists and bigots try to conflate the two arguments and we have this stupidity.

All of this is textbook dictatorship activity when you are hilariously claiming to be about freedom and democracy.

Just like people were being attacked and having their rights infringed on the right for being against the social engineering by the Biden and Obama admins, the Right idiots are doing the same to people standing up against US support of another non-democratic nation claiming to be democratic.

In the end, if Trump’s admin is allowed to set this precedent, it will be awful for both sides.

Again, if people are being prosecuted for their thoughts, no matter what side of the aisle they are on, it is wrong.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38522 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:10 pm to
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He said that while Khalil’s activities were “otherwise lawful,” letting him remain in the country would undermine “U.S. policy to combat anti-Semitism around the world and in the United States, in addition to efforts to protect Jewish students from harassment and violence in the United States.”

At the time of Khalil’s arrest, a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson accused Khalil of leading activities “aligned to Hamas,” referring to the militant group that attacked Israel on Oct. 7, 2023.

But the government has not produced any evidence linking Khalil to Hamas, and made no reference to the group in their most recent filing.
I don't get it. I thought he was the ringleader that was barring jews from facilities and the like. And I thought he did have some direct Hamas stuff. WTF
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59343 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:10 pm to
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and?


And it looks like the executive branch doesn’t have a legitimate reason to deport him so they are using the “because I said so” tactic.
This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 6:11 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59343 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:11 pm to
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I don't get it. I thought he was the ringleader that was barring jews from facilities and the like. And I thought he did have some direct Hamas stuff. WTF


Better consult Xitter to get all the facts.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7943 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:12 pm to
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You can live your entire life in the US. You can marry, you can work here, buy a home here and pay taxes here but you're going to have to live under a diluted set rights


First - it's a path to citizenship- without it yiu do not have every single constitutional right

Second - he is a green card holder!

Third - according to duck duck - a green card holder can lose that stays under multiple conditions and speech is one

Add in that he was involved in illegal activities against US world interests you can see where his subversive speech is enough to lose green card status

And the wife and baby are irrelevant
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:15 pm to
Why is Little Marco doing another country's bidding? This is embarrassing. Imagine if Blinken or Hilldawg threw out foreign students because Zelensky told them to. We would be furious.

I shouldn't be surprised, though. The head of AIPAC was caught on tape talking about who would be the contacts in this administration that he cultivated. Marco, Stefanik, Waltz, and even Ratcliffe are in there.
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Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:15 pm to
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I don't get it. I thought he was the ringleader that was barring jews from facilities and the like. And I thought he did have some direct Hamas stuff. WTF


If he's done any of that. Not one single shred of evidence has been coughed up. Not one.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59343 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:15 pm to
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Add in that he was involved in illegal activities


What were these illegal activities?
Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:16 pm to
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it looks like the executive branch doesn’t have a legitimate reason to deport him so they are using the “because I said so” tactic.
Pretty sure they can deport any non-citizen for any reason

Which makes any reason they come up with, by definition, legitimate
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38522 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:20 pm to
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If he's done any of that. Not one single shred of evidence has been coughed up. Not one.
Seems like it should all be on tape. We know that "protesters" committed illegal acts. We know there was lots of pro-Hamas sentiment.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59343 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:20 pm to
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Pretty sure they can deport any non-citizen for any reason


Not according to the laws I’ve seen.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:21 pm to
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First - it's a path to citizenship- without it yiu do not have every single constitutional right

Second - he is a green card holder!

Third - according to duck duck - a green card holder can lose that stays under multiple conditions and speech is one

Add in that he was involved in illegal activities against US world interests you can see where his subversive speech is enough to lose green card status

And the wife and baby are irrelevant


With regard to B. Ok.

With regard to his "subversive" speech, can you point it out? The Government can't and Rubio himself has said none of his actions are unlawful. So where's that part coming from?

Oh and the wife and baby are absolutely relevant. As this moves through the court system, it'll be a complicating factor for sure.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:24 pm to
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Seems like it should all be on tape. We know that "protesters" committed illegal acts. We know there was lots of pro-Hamas sentiment.


You would think.

Where is a twatter post? Where is a Facebook, Instagram or TikTok? Where is a text message or video clip?

There's nothing. Nothing other than Khalil's criticism of Israel.
This post was edited on 4/10/25 at 6:25 pm
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
67649 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:27 pm to
You’re wrong. SCOTUS has said, at least in dicta, that deportees have a right to present their case.its pathetic that some of you support the government deporting a legal resident
without providing proof of a legal basis.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:29 pm to
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I don't have a real problem with that.

But what do you think about the fact that he just became a permanent resident a few months ago? In fact, his true status is "conditional permanent resident." It's not like this guy had been here for 8 years and never caused trouble.


I don't know the finer points of his legal status. I'll take your word on all that though.

The length of time he's been a permanent US resident isn't really a factor in this for me.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:33 pm to
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Not according to the laws I’ve seen.
Which of those laws apply to the head of the executive branch?

Immigration is under the executive branch

Visa's are 100% issued at the executives discretion
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 4/10/25 at 6:34 pm to
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Add in that he was involved in illegal activities


What were these illegal activities?


There aren't any, not one. Rubio himself has said so.
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