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Posted on 6/22/26 at 9:21 pm to lake chuck fan
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haven't all those TDS panicans
He desperately wants to be right on this “Iran is going to bring the global economy to its knees” thing.
Imagine what that takes.
Posted on 6/22/26 at 11:47 pm to Bison
it's significantly worse, by all metrics
Posted on 6/23/26 at 12:17 am to DeBoar
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Why not research it and come up with a conclusion by yourself?
By my amount it seems like a worse deal considering the resources we have expended. There is significant overlap with Obama deal in that Iran will open nuclear facilities to international inspectors.
Reports are saying we have run thru 50% of our precision strike missiles and Defence interceptors , and our oil reserves are at 43 year low.
Im leaning toward Obama having the better deal if Iran gets 300 billion, but I’d like to hear others thoughts.
I hear we have decimated their military but they still the abilities to control the strait and attack regional allies so I’m not sure how much impact the attacks on their military have add. We have not achieved regime change.
We just made a lot of noise on the international stage. It’s made the trump administration look fairly clueless because Trump has said there’s a deal over 30 times In the last 3 months.
In hindsight ,Trump should have left the Obama deal in place if you ask me/ or not have been persuaded by Israel to engage in this operation.
I just don’t see this memorandum of understanding as an improvement.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 3:18 am to davyjones
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That’s been answered literally countless times. Don’t confuse being completely in the dark about that with simply not agreeing with any of the responses that have been posted
So many countless times you couldn't be bothered with referencing or reiterating the point. Feel free to do so.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 3:47 am to Rebel
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Obama's deal left them with an intact army
IRGC is still intact.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:45 am to Bison
Hard to tell at this point. Obama had no one with whom he could make a deal. Those guys were dead set on getting the bomb and destroying Israel. No inducements were going to get them off those positions.
Who is Trump dealing with? What are their core values? Anyone on this board who pretends to know is blowing smoke. Time will tell on this.
Who is Trump dealing with? What are their core values? Anyone on this board who pretends to know is blowing smoke. Time will tell on this.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 5:54 am to jammajin
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the world witnesses the US put on one of the most dominant (and compassionate) military displays in world history without putting a boot on the ground. Putting to rest the international disgrace that was our retreat from Afghanistan. Puts China on notice to not frick with Taiwan.
The lesson China will learn is that the US will NOT put boots on the ground, and they have a tolerance for air power that lasts until consumer prices start going up. That doesn’t sound like deterrence, in spite of how well the US military performed.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 11:30 pm to No Colors
You're a liar.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 11:43 pm to Bison
No. Obama actually had a deal signed and sealed. Trump has absolutely nothing at this point other than an understanding to negotiate a deal. Which will be worthless the second it’s signed. Getting Iran to sign any kind of agreement with the United States is a waste of time, ink, and paper. Iran treats deals they sign with the United States like everyone on this board treats a roll of Charmin.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 11:55 pm to RollingwiththeTide
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No. Obama actually had a deal signed and sealed.
Boom! True that. Which is apparently a meaningless point, because
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Getting Iran to sign any kind of agreement with the United States is a waste of time, ink, and paper.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 1:28 am to RollingwiththeTide
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Trump has absolutely nothing at this point other than an understanding to negotiate a deal.
Well He’s sure been trying for months. He’s been spinning his wheels since late March.
If he would have done it back in March , the 60 days negotiations period would be up.
He can’t make a deal.
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Getting Iran to sign any kind of agreement with the United States is a waste of time, ink, and paper.
Then why is Trump admin trying so hard to get it done?
He’s sent Vance to negotiate multiple times and now Rubio.
This post was edited on 6/24/26 at 1:28 am
Posted on 6/24/26 at 2:03 am to 1999
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think most americans just want this to be over.
Ah yes the same ones who cheered on ukraine and palestine and thousands of deaths are just plain fed up over our 13 losses. Youre so in touch with what the people REALLY want.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 2:28 am to davyjones
Damn. He walked smooth into that one. 
Aren’t you supposed to start a new paragraph when you are about to contradict yourself?
Aren’t you supposed to start a new paragraph when you are about to contradict yourself?
Posted on 6/24/26 at 3:16 am to Bison
“ Then why is Trump admin trying so hard to get it done?”(quote B).
The Mullahs loved Obama’s Deal. Plenty of bucks for Jihad and a virtual guarantee of ICBM nuclear weaponry which would make their Regime untouchable. They despise Trump’s, which gives them money only if they drop the Jihad.
And they know that if oil prices drop and Trump wins big in the Midterms that he and Israel will be back to finish them off.
The Islamists are insanely proud and egotistical based on the supposed superiority of their Religion. No way they bow to the likes of Trump and the Jews. That sickness has no cure.
It’s all about the Midterms. And focusing on the harvested votes of non citizens. That is the coming war.
The Mullahs loved Obama’s Deal. Plenty of bucks for Jihad and a virtual guarantee of ICBM nuclear weaponry which would make their Regime untouchable. They despise Trump’s, which gives them money only if they drop the Jihad.
And they know that if oil prices drop and Trump wins big in the Midterms that he and Israel will be back to finish them off.
The Islamists are insanely proud and egotistical based on the supposed superiority of their Religion. No way they bow to the likes of Trump and the Jews. That sickness has no cure.
It’s all about the Midterms. And focusing on the harvested votes of non citizens. That is the coming war.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 4:45 am to RCDfan1950
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The Mullahs loved Obama’s Deal. Plenty of bucks for Jihad and a virtual guarantee of ICBM nuclear weaponry which would make their Regime untouchable. They despise Trump’s, which gives them money only if they drop the Jihad.
Brother, you live in fantasy land? You got Obama derangement syndrome BAD.
Iran essentially WROTE the Trump deal that you claim they hate. If you can’t see how the MOU is tipped 95% in Iran’s favor, you live in La La land.
Us has to pull out the region, not meddle in Irans affairs or try to push for regime change. Iran gets 300 billion , sanctions get lifted .
Posted on 6/24/26 at 4:47 am to Bison
You have to consider that there are some people silly enough to think that we hold all the cards right now. It is very clear that we don't.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 6:25 am to RCDfan1950
Sure they loved the 1.7 billion from Obama, but the are orgasmic about the prospects of even more from Trump.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 6:41 am to KiwiHead
I don’t are what happens in Iran now, the got defanged and many at the top sent to Allah. Trump knows they can’t resist Jihad and will be using that money to serve it, which will be breaking the Deal and opening them for assassination. Again! Or maybe their own people will be brought into the equation.
Europe is about to become front and center in the Jihad dynamic. This will help MAGA in the Midterms. And the Midterms are all that really matters. I note that your critique omits the non-citizen harvested ballots. THAT will be the real war.
It’s coming.
Europe is about to become front and center in the Jihad dynamic. This will help MAGA in the Midterms. And the Midterms are all that really matters. I note that your critique omits the non-citizen harvested ballots. THAT will be the real war.
It’s coming.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 6:56 am to Bison
Have you seen a deal? No one has. There is only an MOU and the deal is still being negotiated.
Don’t let a couple of facts get in the way of your menstruation.
Regardless, Trumps deal when completed will be much much better that Obamas. No doubt at all.
Don’t let a couple of facts get in the way of your menstruation.
Regardless, Trumps deal when completed will be much much better that Obamas. No doubt at all.
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