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Posted on 3/18/25 at 3:22 pm to Goforit
Bill Gates wants to make it illegal for cows to fart
First they came for the cow farts then they came for mine and no one was left to say anything
First they came for the cow farts then they came for mine and no one was left to say anything
Posted on 3/18/25 at 3:24 pm to 4cubbies
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Wait, are you saying universal healthcare and a city bus are rights???
In some countries, absolutely.
In what countries are a city bus a human right? Its a service in some countries, but I was not aware in any country where its a right. The UN Declaration of Human Rights only lists freedom of movement as a right, but not state provided transportation.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 3:32 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Nothing is so expensive as that which is "free"
universal healthcare and a city bus are rights???
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In some countries, absolutely.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 4:25 pm to OWLFAN86
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So it is not a right it's a privilege
The only salient point
Posted on 3/18/25 at 4:32 pm to 4cubbies
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rights are social constructs, but I argue that justice is not.
I know, that's the point I'm trying to get you to see.
It makes no sense.
You can't have justice without rights.
If no one has any rights, then no one can have an injustice committed against them, because they had no right for said injustice to not be committed against them.
And if there's no such thing as injustice, there's no such thing as justice, because there's no righting of the injustice.
If black people had no right to be free, then enslaving them wasn't an injustice.
It sounds to me like you're so impressed with the author you cited that you're willing to accept what he said even though it clearly violates the simplest of logical analysis.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 4:35 pm to 4cubbies
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This may be true, but affordable housing is much harder to come by.
Affordable housing in your price range is always do-able. There are plenty of places people can move to in order to find it.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 4:36 pm to 4cubbies
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Wait, are you saying universal healthcare and a city bus are rights???
In some countries, absolutely.
Absolutely not.
They are simply services that the governments of those countries choose to provide.
They have nothing to do with rights.
They in no way mean that the citizens actually have a moral entitlement to those things (which is what a right means) or that the government has a moral obligation to provide them.
This isn't hard unless one is determined to make it so.
Bonus question: Why is the word "right" the root of the word "righteous?" Sure sounds to me like it has to do with justice and morality.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 3/18/25 at 4:36 pm to VoxDawg
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The core marketing tenet of modern socialism (and its false premise) is that any working American should be able to enjoy any lifestyle of their choosing so long as they work any job full time.
Cannot be repeated enough.
Ridiculous concept, but this is what they think.
And to add, they also think it's better that one person gives up any advantage they have to support the lifestyle of those that do not. You know - taxes. And high ones. It's better to bring people with advantage down, to support this core belief.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 3/18/25 at 4:43 pm to Freauxzen
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And to add, they also think it's better that one person gives up any advantage they have to support the lifestyle of those that do not. You know - taxes. And high ones. It's better to bring people with advantage down, to support this core belief.
All of this is true, and I'm sure you see the overall game that is being played here in this thread. The left does this all the time.
If we take the word "right" and strip it of any meaning that it legitimately holds in the English language and substitute a new meaning—in this case, "whatever the majority votes for," well, then who are you to say that you have a "right" to your own earned money? The majority of comrades didn't vote for that, so you have no right to it. Cough it up for the good of the collective.
When you have no rights, the whole thing is just two wolves and one sheep voting on what to eat for dinner.
It's so obvious. And short-sighted.
I'm amazed by the number of people who seemingly never read Animal Farm. it's not like it's a hard read. It ain't War & Peace.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 3/18/25 at 4:43 pm to 4cubbies
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These aren’t absolute rights…social constructs
Your 1st and 2nd Amendment rights are arguable as social constructs. You get them for being an American. The rest (life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness) are “absolute rights” in the sense that they are inalienable and natural rights you get for being a human. You should do what Thomas Jefferson and John Adams did: read John Locke, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Thomas Hobbes, and Voltaire.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 4:44 pm to 4cubbies
Dimtards have cornered the market on weak minded men
Posted on 3/18/25 at 5:12 pm to 4cubbies
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the author argued that housing should be viewed as a human right.
How many homes did he build for others?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 5:19 pm to Azkiger
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How many homes did he build for others?
And now you point out the flaw in Western Liberals/ Progressives' argument for an expansion in the social network for our troubled citizens or non citizens.
It's always very easy to suggest that other people should spend their money in doing what you think is right
And it is not an invalid statement to say well if you think that more money needs to be put toward these causes then why don't you put your own?
But Cubbies has indeed opened up her home to homeless people.
so like environmentalists that ride a bike, I may think they're wrong but at least they live up to what you say others should,,, kinda
Posted on 3/18/25 at 5:27 pm to beachdude
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in the sense that they are inalienable and natural rights
"Natural" is an unfortunate description here, because all of them believed rights came from a deity.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 5:34 pm to Flats
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Natural" is an unfortunate description here, because all of them believed rights came from a deity.
Well since they believed in the deity that deity would have created nature
As man is endowed by certain inalienable rights by something before government /man
The phrase "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" comes from the United States Declaration of Independence, emphasizing that all people possess fundamental, inherent rights that cannot be taken away by any government.
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 5:54 pm to wackatimesthree
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They are simply services that the governments of those countries choose to provide.
Because the governments of these countries believe the citizens have a right to these things.
That’s why we see signs saying healthcare is a basic human right.
quote:maybe not your personal definition of a right, but because rights are social constructs, those societies have dictated that transportation, healthcare, education, etc are rights.
They have nothing to do with rights.
quote:this is exactly what that means.
They in no way mean that the citizens actually have a moral entitlement to those things (which is what a right means) or that the government has a moral obligation to provide them
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Bonus question: Why is the word "right" the root of the word "righteous?" Sure sounds to me like it has to do with justice and morality.
Morality perhaps, but certainly not justice.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 5:56 pm to Freauxzen
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Ridiculous concept, but this is what they think.
You don’t know what socialism is. Or you do know and are choosing to pervert it to get upvotes? Either way, why not discuss things honestly?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 6:00 pm to 4cubbies
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Either way, why not discuss things honestly?
good question,.....
Posted on 3/18/25 at 6:02 pm to wackatimesthree
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The left does this all the time.
Huh? This is so low brow. Appealing to the masses, are we?
quote:. This is a discussion. I’m not demanding everyone subscribe to my interpretation of a right but I have yet to see a convincing argument be made to change my mind. You will see countless of my posts questioning other people’s definitions with zero responses to them because, presumably, the ops don’t have a valid argument or answer.
If we take the word "right" and strip it of any meaning that it legitimately holds in the English language and substitute a new meaning
quote:
then who are you to say that you have a "right" to your own earned money?
We don’t. The government confiscates our money using the threat of force constantly.
quote:. This is actually what happens every single day. You’re proving my point.
The majority of comrades didn't vote for that, so you have no right to it. Cough it up for the good of the collective.
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