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re: Is there anything more "Deep State" than US military conflict with Iran?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:40 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:40 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:The Deep State was created for the Cold War.
The Cold War was not created by the "Deep State"
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:42 am to LuckyTiger
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Disagree. I can think of a few. Rigging an election (Biden's laptop, 50 spies who lied, surveillance baed on known false FISA, censorship, etc) Running a coup (impeachment through leak) Providing cover for a fake presidency (Biden) run by other people.
That’s amateur hour when comparing to instigating war
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Nope buddy. Let the Iranian people decide re Jihad or no. You and I both know what they will choose. And they will thank Trump for his boldness. The whole world will minus the Islamists.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:45 am to RCDfan1950
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Nope buddy. Let the Iranian people decide re Jihad or no. You and I both know what they will choose. And they will thank Trump
I swear you are a time traveler from 2002.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:45 am to NC_Tigah
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The Deep State was created for the Cold War.
Sure, and this current conflict with Iran is a progeny of that action, hence,
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Is there anything more "Deep State" than US military conflict with Iran?
This has been the Golden Goose of the "Deep State" since 1979
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:47 am to JohnnyKilroy
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I swear you are a time traveler from 2002.
They hate us for our Democracy and freedoms
Nation building is bringing democracy to the people of Iraq and Afghanistan
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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So, given all of this, how can people who oppose the "Deep State" so blindly fall into an obvious "Deep State"-driven conflict?
I'm doing my measly best to counter the propaganda promoting a war with Iran.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Have an upvote, slow.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:54 am to GumboPot
Just make sure you have a tab open at all times with an image search for "we are back gif" to have responses ready for GWB-era Iraq bullshite
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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This has been the Golden Goose of the "Deep State" since 1979
I'd wager the deep state spent (and made) more in one year of its Ukrainian foray than during the entirety of its 45yr anti-Iranian efforts.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:27 am to SlowFlowPro
Iran needs to be fixed, period.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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We have almost 50 years of "Deep State" pushing for military conflict with Iran, and Iran has been far less aggressive than Russia in terms of invasions of foreign nations or attempts to install puppet regimes (Georgia, Belarus, Moldova, etc.)
Eh, Iran is just as aggressive as Russia, they just aren’t big enough to do it on Russia’s scale. If we’re gonna use international aggression as a reason to bomb people we should probably send the B2s to Washington DC.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:32 am to HeadCall
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If we’re gonna use international aggression as a reason to bomb people we should probably send the B2s to Washington DC.
What part of this
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Is there anything more "Deep State" than US military conflict with Iran?
Did you not understand?
Military conflict with Iran is perpetuating exactly that
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:33 am to NC_Tigah
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I'd wager the deep state spent (and made) more in one year of its Ukrainian foray than during the entirety of its 45yr anti-Iranian efforts.
The progeny of "Deep State" reaction to Iran includes the WOT, so no. Not even close.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
I’m not making a deep state argument. I’m against going to war with Iran. I just wish people around here would use more cogent arguments when supporting their side one way or the other.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:35 am to HeadCall
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I just wish people around here would use more cogent arguments when supporting their side one way or the other.
But...I did, and I just explained it to you.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:36 am to SlowFlowPro
Okay nerd
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Fair points, along with "Slava Ukraini."
In the past 20 years, we've made that choice a few times (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc.). How did that work for the region, US, etc.?
Arguably, whether by omission or commission, the DS even made that choice in aiding deposition of the Shah in '79. How did THAT work for the region?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:42 am to NC_Tigah
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the DS even made that choice in aiding deposition of the Shah in '79.
There was no choice, at that point. That was a conflict we could not win. Control had been lost and we had no way to get it back.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
That’s partially true. The majority of the Iranian people wanted revolution in the 70’s. The US and UK installed a government they wanted in a coup in 1953 then exiled Ruhollah Khomeini(1st Supreme Leader), Ali Khamenei(current Supreme Leader), and many of their followers. They worked in exile for revolution for over 25 years.
For 25 years the west tried to push Democracy on the Iranians and it didn’t work. With help from the Soviet’s revolution started gaining ground in the early to mid-70’s. The Shah tried many things to make the people happy like nationalizing oil but it didn’t work.
The Shah was also sick. He was diagnosed with cancer in 1974 and died in 1980. The last 5 years of his reign he was sick and in pain most of the time. In the end he gave up Iran without a fight
For 25 years the west tried to push Democracy on the Iranians and it didn’t work. With help from the Soviet’s revolution started gaining ground in the early to mid-70’s. The Shah tried many things to make the people happy like nationalizing oil but it didn’t work.
The Shah was also sick. He was diagnosed with cancer in 1974 and died in 1980. The last 5 years of his reign he was sick and in pain most of the time. In the end he gave up Iran without a fight
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 8:59 am
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