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re: Is there anything more "Deep State" than US military conflict with Iran?
Posted on 6/21/25 at 8:56 am to Sizzle_DAWG
Posted on 6/21/25 at 8:56 am to Sizzle_DAWG
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It’s definitely a gambit, albeit, a last ditch effort by the Deep State to compromise nationalism/MAGA by distracting and painting Trump into a corner.
It’s extremely depressing to see the bottom fall out of the non-violent and political movement we had going for the past decade to curb stomp US Marxism. And we had momentum!
If Trump goes through with this and all hell breaks loose, I’ll NEVER vote in national US elections again, because what’s the fricking point if the house always wins?
I do anticipate a lot of the MAGA diehards who did truly believe in the non-intervention will go black pill if Trump falls victim to the "Deep State" and we do this Iran shuffle
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
This board is completely insane right now. The new narrative is that the intel which Tulsi talked about in March and Warner confirmed yesterday are lies meant to undermine Trump somehow. So, this time, the deep state is making the case NOT to go to war. 
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:03 am to Bunk Moreland
Yes I was called a "globalist" for being anti-war 
Hence the quotations
Hence the quotations
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:04 am to Bunk Moreland
SlowFlowPro = first post
Bunk Moreland = last post
all we need is the nutty Alaskan in the middle and this is an elite level circle jerk.
Maybe they will stay here and not clutter the rest of the board.
Bunk Moreland = last post
all we need is the nutty Alaskan in the middle and this is an elite level circle jerk. Maybe they will stay here and not clutter the rest of the board.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:05 am to RohanGonzales
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SlowFlowPro = first post
Bunk Moreland = last post
all we need is the nutty Alaskan in the middle and this is an elite level circle jerk.
Maybe they will stay here and not clutter the rest of the board.
elementary level of input as expected
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:10 am to RohanGonzales
Stay vigilant, fren. There is so much propaganda flying around that I have no idea what to believe.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:11 am to SlowFlowPro
I know you really want the US to go to war with Iran so you can be right on the internet.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:11 am to texag7
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I know you really want the US to go to war with Iran so you can be right on the internet.
Completely wrong. On brand, as usual.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:14 am to RohanGonzales
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Maybe they will stay here and not clutter the rest of the board
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Interesting.
There was nothing we could do to stop that organic revolution to thwart the puppet installed by the "Deep State".
I explained to you once why that is a false premise.
Did you DV w/o even reading it?
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:19 am to NC_Tigah
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I explained to you once why that is a false premise.
You certainly tried but like with your use of invasion, it fell short. Specifically for allowing partisanship to permeate your thought process making you want to blame your perceived out-group.
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Did you DV
Uh, no. The answer to that question is always "No"
This post was edited on 6/21/25 at 9:20 am
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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What does this have to do with Western and Israeli intel operations and bureaucracies?
Answering the question posted in the title. To answer your question... everything!
Only your side changes definitions. Woman, truth, gender, riot, citizen.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:25 am to omegaman66
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Answering the question posted in the title.
Not really, hence my follow up.
Which you still haven't answered other than making an unsupported conclusory statement.
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Only your side changes definitions.
This thread disproves that (as was the meta point).
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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You certainly tried but like with your use of invasion
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There was no choice, at that point. That was a conflict we could not win. Control had been lost and we had no way to get it back.
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U.S. intelligence failed to grasp that Khomeini intended to establish a rigid Islamic theocracy, not merely play a symbolic or transitional role. Hell, the DS even viewed Khomeini’s anti-communism as a possible asset.
The expectation was for a moderate, post-Shah coalition—perhaps with secular nationalists, leftists, or reformist clerics. The DS believed that,at worst, Khomeini could be "managed." But their actual fantasy was he would simply play a spiritual or figurehead role, "like Gandhi." It was as predictably stupid an assessment as anything they ever made.
Regarding your "loss of control" assertion, that culminated only after Carter’s human rights agenda pressured the Shah to liberalize at exactly the moment his regime was most vulnerable. There was no clear U.S. plan to prevent a worse regime from filling the vacuum. In a nutshell, they simply did not have a clue as to WTF they were doing.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:30 am to NC_Tigah
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Regarding your "loss of control" assertion, that culminated only after Carter’s human rights agenda pressured the Shah to liberalize at exactly the moment his regime was most vulnerable. There was no clear U.S. plan to prevent a worse regime from filling the vacuum. In a nutshell, they simply did not have a clue as to WTF they were doing.
The referenced partisanship-poisoned rhetoric.
In some theoretical lab where Carter got to do it all over again, they may have delayed the revolution a few months or years, but the population had flipped. There was nothing we could do to stop it. More authoritarianism would have only led to a more violent revolution.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:That was certainly the Carter rhetoric. Obviously, it had to be. I'm just surprised you swallowed it
There was nothing we could do to stop it
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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Not really,
Yes really.
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This thread disproves that (as was the meta point).
What is a woman?
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:38 am to NC_Tigah
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That was certainly the Carter rhetoric. Obviously, it had to be. I'm just surprised you swallowed it
Note: I was not alive when this occurred so there was no "rhetoric" for me to swallow
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:39 am to omegaman66
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Yes really.
So Iran is now the "Deep State" or...what?
quote:
What is a woman?
In terms of sex or gender?
Posted on 6/21/25 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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quote:
What is a woman?
In terms of sex or gender?
Same thing. You have just proved my point about dims always changing the definitions.
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