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re: Is there anything more "Deep State" than US military conflict with Iran?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:44 am to Toomer Deplorable
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:44 am to Toomer Deplorable
labels like deep state aren't always helpful but Iran must be prevented from getting nukes.
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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To summarize for those who do not want to read, there is nothing more "Deep State" or "globalist" than war in Iran.
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Posted by SlowFlowPro 1/7/25 at 4:36 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
As I said when this first happened, this is pretty strong evidence the "Deep State", as imagined by many on here, does not exist.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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False choice
The entire argument has been framed around do nothing or jump in with Israel.
So let's step outside of that frame.
We could side with Iran and tell Israel to frick off. That would be a third choice.
How much appetite do you think there is for that?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:52 am to RCDfan1950
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No more wars, SF. Hit that reactor fortress and hands off.
No more wars, except this act of war.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:53 am to UncleFestersLegs
Yeah baw that's explained fully in the post, scholar. Hence the use of the apostrophes.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:53 am to zeebo
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labels like deep state aren't always helpful but Iran must be prevented from getting nukes.
This is not our war.
In addition to Israel, the last thing Saudi Arabia and Turkey want to see is a nuclear armed Iran.
Let these parasites fight their own battles.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:55 am to TrueTiger
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The entire argument has been framed around do nothing or jump in with Israel.
Not my argument and certainly not the substance of OP
Strawman fallacy creating a false choice fallacy.
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How much appetite do you think there is for that?
That depends on how many who claim to be MAGA actually did learn their lesson with neocon policy under GWB.
It appears that was all a ruse by a large portion of the MAGA base and they were always neocons who just pretended to be against intervention and wars.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:57 am to SlowFlowPro
People like goldennugget and I have been trying to say the Israel position is propaganda.
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:59 am to Bunk Moreland
A noted scholar told me yesterday that my position against intervention was a "globalist" position.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:00 am to Toomer Deplorable
I legit don’t understand why we have to fix some purported mess on the other side of the world.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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did learn their lesson with neocon policy under GWB.
The public gets lied to by governments all the time.
Including ours, including Israel's, including Iran's.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:02 am to Bunk Moreland
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I legit don’t understand why we have to fix some purported mess on the other side of the world.
Since Iran doesn't have the ability to launch missiles into the US (nuclear or otherwise), clearly it's to stop dirty bomb terror attacks in the US...which Iran has been capable of doing since at least the 90s.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:03 am to zeebo
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labels like deep state aren't always helpful but Iran must be prevented from getting nukes.
Totes. Labeling something helps to legitimize it as a real thing and the Deep State HATES that shite.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 7:08 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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To summarize for those who do not want to read, there is nothing more "Deep State" or "globalist" than war in Iran.
Disagree. I can think of a few.
Rigging an election (Biden's laptop, 50 spies who lied, surveillance baed on known false FISA, censorship, etc)
Running a coup (impeachment through leak)
Providing cover for a fake presidency (Biden) run by other people.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:12 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Your strongly stated opinion notwithstanding, let's analyse it ...
Not even close.
quote:... and nearly 80 years with Russia.
We have almost 50 years of "Deep State" pushing for military conflict with Iran
quote:No. Iran has perhaps been less successful on it's own accord, and obviously is operating on a smaller scale than Russia, but they are peas in a pod. Iran absolutely ruined Lebanon.
Iran has been far less aggressive than Russia in terms of invasions of foreign nations or attempts to install puppet regimes
But obviously our deep state efforts targeting Russia are gargantuan vs those in Iran. Ukraine is the latest example. The NATO expansionism targeting Russo security, the overthrow of Ukraine's democratically elected government targeting Russo security, the egging on of a Russo-Ukrainian western proxy war and thorough manipulation of Ukraine's pseudopolitical pawn of a leader, etc., outstrips the deep state efforts in Iran several fold.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:13 am to NC_Tigah
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Is there anything more "Deep State" than US military conflict with Iran?
Yes. "Slava Ukraini" being but one example.
Agreed...Russia, while a global enemy, does not profess to destroy America at every opportunity. Also, they have had nuclear weapons since the 1950s (aided by US leftist) and have proven to have calm-enough heads to have never used them. Other than Obama/Biden ineptitude, Russia and Ukraine would not be a thing today. All that to say, we have a dog in the fight when it comes to a nuclear-owning Iran; Russia/Ukraine is not our fight.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:15 am to NC_Tigah
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... and nearly 80 years with Russia.
The Cold War was not created by the "Deep State"
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No.
Yes. I listed several for Russia.
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Iran has perhaps been less successful on it's own accord, and obviously is operating on a smaller scale than Russia, but they are peas in a pod. Iran absolutely ruined Lebanon.
That's one. I listed several for Russia (and I limited their timeframe to 2008 onward, too. You're referencing an event from the 80s to fine something for Iran).
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But obviously our deep state efforts targeting Russia are gargantuan vs those in Iran.
Definite statement based on no supporting evidence.
If we're going back to the 80s, then we can discuss the Deep State supporting Iraq to fight a major war with Iran. More than anything we've done with Russia.
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the overthrow of Ukraine's democratically elected government t
Your attempt to derail the thread with BS isn't getting anymore responses.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:17 am to AUauditor
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Russia, while a global enemy, does not profess to destroy America at every opportunity
Russia is the actor who supports Iran to let them act crazy. The primary reason the Iranian regime hasn't been toppled since the 90s is Russia (and their nukes).
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:34 am to Snazzmeister
“No more wars, except this act of war.“(quote Snazz)
Remember 9-11. And the conclusion being that “they were at war with us but we were not at war with them”. There are some things that cannot be avoided. In a deadly confrontation, does one shoot first or wait until one’s adversary does? Err on the side of caution and accept the risk or no? Do you trust the Dems to corrupt the elections and Judiciary and run the Nation (wide open border and subsidies to all comers) or confront them via “whatever it takes”.
We can run but we can’t hide. It’s now or later. Take the first punch or deliver it. Either Jihadist back the F off or they get hit. Pretty simple.
Remember 9-11. And the conclusion being that “they were at war with us but we were not at war with them”. There are some things that cannot be avoided. In a deadly confrontation, does one shoot first or wait until one’s adversary does? Err on the side of caution and accept the risk or no? Do you trust the Dems to corrupt the elections and Judiciary and run the Nation (wide open border and subsidies to all comers) or confront them via “whatever it takes”.
We can run but we can’t hide. It’s now or later. Take the first punch or deliver it. Either Jihadist back the F off or they get hit. Pretty simple.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 7:39 am to RCDfan1950
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We can run but we can’t hide. It’s now or later. Take the first punch or deliver it. Either Jihadist back the F off or they get hit. Pretty simple.
We are SO back
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