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re: Is the role of the Fed to "stimulate the economy"?

Posted on 8/21/19 at 8:56 am to
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 8/21/19 at 8:56 am to
It is remarkable how much effect Trump has had on trying to dictate the narrative.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
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Posted on 8/21/19 at 8:56 am to
Do you think anyone takes what you say seriously with how wrong you have been IB90proof?
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 8:57 am to
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slowed growth and there wasn’t any sign of inflation

at the time there was a lot of evidence they were nearly at (and still approaching) their inflation goal. can we at least get the concepts right? short of the goal doesn't mean "no sign of inflation". there has been a positive rate of inflation for several years, especially if you look at the data year-over-year
Posted by GetBackToWork
Member since Dec 2007
6582 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 8:59 am to
The role of the Fed is to ensure adequate liquidity for the economy so as to enable growth yet deter excess inflation or market bubbles. The US should be able to attain steady 3% growth without inflationary pressure or extreme cycles. Comparing economic history before and after the depression era Fed, the business cycles have been much tamer.

When the Fed was still raising rates, they saw the price of oil and the labor markets. Both of these have historically been the drivers of US inflation. The counter view would be to say, step back, see the world markets, world rates, and the US economy in totality, and hold the line on another increase. Arguably they might have raised once too many. They will likely be loathe to do much heading into an election year, but it will turn on them fast if it appears they are playing politics.
This post was edited on 8/21/19 at 9:01 am
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:01 am to
The Fed (whose existence I disagree with) was created to manage the US monetary supply with the goal of managing the economy to avoid large swings in growth or recession. So in part, yes it is part of their job.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115478 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:03 am to
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Why the F are we still talking about Obama?


3 (or was it 4) QEs?

Didn't start to clear their balance sheet until after the election?

Rates at close to Zero for almost his entire presidency?

You're goddamned right I am talking about Obama.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:08 am to
SDVTiger
re: How will we measure the success of this tax reform?Posted on 12/20/17 at 8:20 am to slackster

3-4% growth and the markets will hit 40-50k

Posted by browl
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Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:08 am to
Posted by dixiechick
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Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:09 am to
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Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:10 am to
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Claiming that the Fed isn’t doing their job != becoming unhinged



They aren't doing their job by weaponzing interest rates as a political weapon to retain votes. It'll be even worse when he starts begging for QE. Trump is way out of line here. I called this last year in the spring, he talked out of his arse that we're in the best economy ever, despite global economic weakness that has been lingering for years. That is now backfiring on him so he is begging for stimulation (which he will get) so that he doesn't lose votes.

He himself as a businessman would tell you that we don't need to destroy the dollar to attract capital investment here. We are the only country left with a decent currency and this unhinged behavior by the Fed is going to ruin that. The Fed has lost control.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44439 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:11 am to
End the Fed.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
23151 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:12 am to
It sure as hell wasn't the role of the Fed to raise rates 1.75% since Trump took office when there wasn't any sign of inflation.
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:14 am to
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Heard Trump say that if the Fed would "do their job" and cut interest rates by a full point, the economy would really take off.

Is this really the job of the fed?


The job of the Fed is to not hurt anything. They aren't supposed to push the economy, but they aren't supposed to sand bag it either.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28593 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:14 am to
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This board will whine because they did it for Obama but not Trump


They didn't do it "for Obama." They cut rates because we had a massive collapse of the economy. The collapse happened right before Obama's inauguration. The rate cut stimulus had no connection to Obama's political ambition. In fact, I'm sure Obama would rather the economy not have collapsed before he was sworn in.

Trump, on the other hand, wants stimulus to lift his political ambitions. That is entirely different. That is not the role of the Fed.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139046 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:16 am to
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The Fed raised rates a tad too quickly
December was no "tad"
quote:

and has brought them back down
Negative. The fed overshot 50BPS last fall. It allowed commensurate throttling (aka economic damage) to persist for 6 months despite extremely low inflation rates.

Current requirements could have been better affected by holding off on the 50BPS overshoot, but now that effects have festered, we'll need a >50BPS cut to correct.

Further, a large spread vs Europe, with rates even exceeding Greece, Italy, etc. makes no sense.
This post was edited on 8/21/19 at 9:17 am
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68544 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:17 am to
quote:

Is the role of the Fed to "stimulate the economy"?

No...to rape the taxpayer
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45372 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:18 am to
The fed controls inflation and gives no fricks who the pres is. As it should be.
This post was edited on 8/21/19 at 9:46 am
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63089 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:19 am to
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They aren't taking steps to slow down the economy like they have done in the past when inflation was a concern


Uh, isn't that exactly what happened with the rate hikes since Trump took office?

Are you saying inflation was the cause?

Dishonesty is rampant.
Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:19 am to
There are savers and investors. The fed's job is to find balance. Old people are getting F****ed right now because all interest rate/risk adverse products are paying crap.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134935 posts
Posted on 8/21/19 at 9:25 am to
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Question remains, is that their role?
quote:

Since 1977, the Federal Reserve has operated under a mandate from Congress to "promote effectively the goals of maximum employment, stable prices, and moderate long term interest rates" — what is now commonly referred to as the Fed's "dual mandate."
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