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re: Is the big argument now gonna be whether Trump blinked?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:47 pm to Padme
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:47 pm to Padme
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whether Trump blinked?
Now include China. Do they think Trump blinked?
And does it really matter, on the global scale, what we do with Italy, Germany, or Estonia, if China remains where it is?
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:47 pm to panama city tigerfan
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Because there was zero failure.
We don't know if he succeeded or failed. The goals were never communicated.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:48 pm to Padme
Instead of exploring if this is beneficial to Americans the conversation devolves into "my team"/"your team" and who scored last.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:48 pm to BuckyCheese
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Did he?
That depends on what he was gunning for. Bringing back manufacturing? Lowering existing tariffs? Attempting to shutdown the fentanyl trade? A giant frick you to China and realigning world trade? All of the above? Who in the hell knows?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they could never been proven to have failed
I mean there is a wild card involved, the other countries. People can gauge their position, but no one knows. Therefore to imply Trump’s position was somehow concrete is over simplifying
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:50 pm to TrueTiger
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Instead of exploring if this is beneficial to Americans the conversation devolves into "my team"/"your team"
Thinking that criticizing Trump puts someone on a "team" is faulty
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:50 pm to TrueTiger
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devolves into "my team"/"your team" and who scored last.
Exactly right, great analogy
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:50 pm to Padme
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Therefore to imply Trump’s position was somehow concrete is over simplifying
Arguing his position was not concrete makes it worse.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:51 pm to Padme
Exactly, the lack of understanding of how negotiations work by some posters here is shocking.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:53 pm to LARancher1991
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Exactly, the lack of understanding of how negotiations work by some posters here is shocking.
this only works if the goal was 10% across the board tariffs for 90 days and isolating China...and I mean at the outset, not today at noon, CST.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:54 pm to Padme
Trump was clear in that he wanted to negotiate with countries, not necessarily to have tariffs long term.
If he just wanted tariffs, he would not have asked them to come to the table.
This was just a way to leverage them into capitulating.
The people that blinked are the countries that have immediately come to him to work it out, which is pretty much everyone but China.
Now he gets to work deals that will most likely involve these countries helping Trump achieve better tariff deals with China(along with other measures)
If he just wanted tariffs, he would not have asked them to come to the table.
This was just a way to leverage them into capitulating.
The people that blinked are the countries that have immediately come to him to work it out, which is pretty much everyone but China.
Now he gets to work deals that will most likely involve these countries helping Trump achieve better tariff deals with China(along with other measures)
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:54 pm to Padme
Both sides will take both sides of this question no matter what.
If Trump gets enough nations to come to the table in the next 90 days for a win and after that only limited or targeted tariffs are in place, that is a huge win for him.
If Trump gets enough nations to come to the table in the next 90 days for a win and after that only limited or targeted tariffs are in place, that is a huge win for him.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If he failed at his goals, how does it not matter?
The tariff increases just happened. We are literally right in the middle of negotiations with just about everybody. Hes already got commitments for $5 trillion in new business (that means new jobs).
How in the world has he failed?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:57 pm to TDsngumbo
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TDsngumbo
So if he did blink, that's actually good.
But he didn't blink, which is actually good.
Bahahaha.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
Not even close. It works if you are trying to negotiate better trade deals with countries. Negotiations are never going to be a one-sided thing and Trump knows that better than most. Countries are starting to come to the negotiating table. In order for that process to be beneficial he is saying hey thanks for coming to the table here's what I'm willing to do for you. Trump has stated multiple times since the start of this thing that if countries are willing to negotiate he would be willing to ease up on tariffs.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:59 pm to Padme
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Does it really F’ing matter.
Well he was about to lose his authority to play this game so....he blinked.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:he didn't fail at his goals, that's your TDS talking
If he failed at his goals, how does it not matter
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We don't know if he succeeded or failed. The goals were never communicated.
Why would your score keeping ever have to be anything but determining are we overall better off now or before?
I'm not even trying to suggest you can make that particular call one way or the other at this point, I'm just trying to figure out why anything else in particular matters in these situations.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:03 pm to Padme
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Is the big argument now gonna be whether Trump blinked?
When you consider most of the same cast of characters take issue or argue against anything he does or says, no matter the topic, no matter the week, you’ll realize this is more about TDS than anything.
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