re: Is more spending and adding to our national debt a conservative or liberal policy?

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You didn't realize this just a year or two ago when you had a very, eh, different take on raising the debt ceiling?

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Im still firmly against printing money, but the realization of the alternative has changed my views somewhat.

The FED just cut rates and at the same time acknowledged inflation is not tamed so they rolled back their 3 rate cuts in 2025 prediction. A few years ago I would have never imagined we would have a FED cutting rates while also admitting inflation is still not tamed and is actually going up but that's where we are. Have to cut rates to keep the ponzi going.

We need real cuts. Not surface level BS. If DOGE fails that is our sign there will never be reductions and the best we can hope for is alternatives to give the middle class relief such as the few I mentioned.

Or not. Trump does a lot of maneuvering to get a show of hands.

Is there a debt ceiling in reality?

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Start shaving off alphabet agencies and pushing more things down to the state.

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Completely abolishing the eye are ess would be a nice move. I'm pretty sure we can ALL agree on that.

When you really crunch the numbers and look at the secondary and tertiary effects of federal tax being replaced by a fair tax, there's just no better solution.

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What are people realistically expecting out of DOGE?


Medicare and SS dwarf everything else so much that you could cut most everything else and it wouldn't make all that much of a difference.

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You're not wrong.

If only we had a primary and national campaign to see Trump's thoughts on this. I presume MAGA followed suit, given the nature of their relationship.

You pose a good question, SFP. My beliefs line up as constitutionally conservative. I believe in less spending and decreasing the national debt.
Personally, I'd like to see a constitutional amendment requiring the federal government to:
1) balance the budget, and,
2) eliminate the use of continuing resolution bills as a recourse to failing to produce a reasonable budget for approval

Insofar as the use of the terms "Liberal" and "Conservative" in terms of elected members of our federal government, I tend to restrict this usage to:
Liberal - one who takes a very liberal view of our Constitution and what powers the Federal Government may exercise, thus allowing governmental overreach to occur too easily.
Conservative - one who follows the Constitution to the letter and looks to the contemporary writings of the founders (such as The Federalist Papers) to gain insight and understanding as to the intent of the founders when there is a question.

For my part, I am ultra-conservative. I base my understanding of constitutional authority for governmental powers upon the 9th and 10th Amendments. The authority of the Federal Government is not "implied" nor is it to be inferred. The authority of the Federal Government is limited to those powers expressly granted to it, or expressly denied to the States and the Citizens by the Constitution.

I would also support an amendment stating that with every bill congress considers for passing into law, it must be explicitly stated in that bill where the Federal Government derives its Constitutional authority to consider that bill for legislation.

Thanks for the question, SFP. It's a good one and is quite thought-provoking. I believe that there are way too many folks who hold to "liberal" or "conservative" tenets without understanding the "why" as to their holding these beliefs. The "Sean Hannity" conservatives are no better than the typical mindless liberal. Neither have any foundation for their beliefs beyond what they feel.

I favor less spending

2 obviously. And they need to stop with the continuing resolution bs. They just hate having to do their jobs correctly because it’s harder.

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The left wants to defund the police. By your very basic logic, this makes it a conservative policy.

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There was a time when this was, when the LARPers saw more libertarian philosophies as "conservative", just FWIW. That did happen on here.

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When the Republicans you like spend money on useless foreign wars

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I was one of the few "conservatives" who was 100% against the Bush war in Iraq. Again, the very same LARPERs (a few years prior, obviously) called me a "liberal" for this stance.

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Your post is directed at MAGA, as is typical for you, but this question should be directed at the people who speak as if conservatism is their only positive character trait, which is why they feel the need to constantly remind everyone how conservative they are.

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To an extent. And what they link in that view of "conservative".

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They're the ones who are constantly attacking others for not being as pure of a conservative as they are. They are the ones constantly proclaiming themselves to be The True Conservatives (trademark pending). The label conservative means much more to them, so as to your question about the definition, I'll defer to those who have wrapped up their entire identity in the word.

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This applies greatly to the LARPers who now identify "conservative" as MAGA (which changes daily).

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I care more about what is right/wrong than what is conservative/liberal.

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That's getting more into focusing on issues, which went out the window in 2016

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If the conservative solution isn't the most effective, you people are stuck doing the "conservative thing." It's a simplistic approach but I can see how the ease of being able to apply a one-size-fits-all solution to every scenario is appealing. It requires so much less thought that way.

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There are very few examples of where I trust government over myself.

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Just stay out of the way so America First

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can fix the problems y

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Speaking of LARPers...

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What conswrvative has ever stopped the debt ceiling?

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When did Trump do it? Wtaching you guys go from "Trump is going to drain the swamp" to "Trump is going to keep the status quo" in 6 weeks is fascinating.

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