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re: Is it time for a multiparty system in the US?
Posted on 9/10/20 at 9:29 am to clhawkins19
Posted on 9/10/20 at 9:29 am to clhawkins19
Nothing happens until we get term limits for both houses.
No one gets wealthy from doing that job and we get true public servants.
No one gets wealthy from doing that job and we get true public servants.
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Posted on 9/10/20 at 9:37 am to BayouBlitz
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A viable party outside the current two will never happen in our lifetimes. Maybe ever.
The two parties have ensured that.
That's not why. It is feasible that we can end up with another party other than the two that we have now, but we will ALWAYS have a two party equilibrium because of Duverger's law; it's a mathematical certainty.
Posted on 9/10/20 at 9:40 am to statman34
The Dems are tribal, they will always stick together like a pack of wolves.
Posted on 9/10/20 at 9:50 am to Indefatigable
The number and availability of Parties (private clubs) are not what is wrong with our government , IMHO.
No.
What we really need is major Campaign Finance Reform accompanied by effective Term Limits imposed upon the Legislative Branch of our government.
That would greatly impact the level of graft and corruption currently enjoyed by the Beltway Bandits and the K-Street Cowboys in DC. It would also cripple the level of foreign INFLUENCE currently impacting the decision-making by our government.
Thomas Jefferson predicted this day would come ....
Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
No.
What we really need is major Campaign Finance Reform accompanied by effective Term Limits imposed upon the Legislative Branch of our government.
That would greatly impact the level of graft and corruption currently enjoyed by the Beltway Bandits and the K-Street Cowboys in DC. It would also cripple the level of foreign INFLUENCE currently impacting the decision-making by our government.
Thomas Jefferson predicted this day would come ....
Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
quote:
"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
This post was edited on 9/10/20 at 9:54 am
Posted on 9/10/20 at 9:53 am to clhawkins19
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It’s time for 2 different countries
We can call one Californistan and the other the United Remaining States of America.
This post was edited on 9/10/20 at 9:54 am
Posted on 9/10/20 at 9:58 am to clhawkins19
The time was 50 fricking years ago
Posted on 9/10/20 at 10:08 am to clhawkins19
It seems there could be multiple chapters in political science textbooks being written from this year alone.
I do think there are some battles that have to be fought. In the GOP, issues of conservative versus moderate, aggressive versus defensive foreign policy, fiscal discipline, etc. have all taken a back seat to globalist versus America first. Trump is really the first to aggressively pursue the latter and once he's gone, it will be interesting if that faction continues to fight for power in the party or if the money buys their silence. I don't think the Republican base will accept a return to a Bush/McCain/Romney candidate, but the GOP is very talented in talking the talk and then doing the exact opposite once elected.
We will never have a real conservative party if the GOPe isn't permanently sent packing to the Democrats where they belong.
I do think there are some battles that have to be fought. In the GOP, issues of conservative versus moderate, aggressive versus defensive foreign policy, fiscal discipline, etc. have all taken a back seat to globalist versus America first. Trump is really the first to aggressively pursue the latter and once he's gone, it will be interesting if that faction continues to fight for power in the party or if the money buys their silence. I don't think the Republican base will accept a return to a Bush/McCain/Romney candidate, but the GOP is very talented in talking the talk and then doing the exact opposite once elected.
We will never have a real conservative party if the GOPe isn't permanently sent packing to the Democrats where they belong.
This post was edited on 9/10/20 at 10:09 am
Posted on 9/10/20 at 10:10 am to clhawkins19
We see this thread quite often, don't we?
Yes. Of course. It would be nice if we had 3 major political parties that were all dedicated to making the USA a stronger, more prosperous and more moral nation-state.
But that's a pipe dream.
Yes. Of course. It would be nice if we had 3 major political parties that were all dedicated to making the USA a stronger, more prosperous and more moral nation-state.
But that's a pipe dream.
Posted on 9/10/20 at 10:20 am to walley tux
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here's a hint jethro, these hypothetical parties are still going to have to form a coalition and elect a speaker of the house.
That, to me, is what could be the most attractive feature. When you’re being lobbied to to join a coalition, you’re in a good position to get something you want. Could this force more collaboration across the spectrum, as tends to be the case in Europe?
Posted on 9/10/20 at 10:23 am to clhawkins19
After Trump is out of office, 20 or 24, we will see what happens with the Republican Party,
Right now many GOP politicians are going along with Trump because they are scared of him.
There is not another Trump. There will not be a party of Trump because no one can lead the party except him.
True Trump supporters will be without a true leader. Many of his supporters will go back to following the GOP of 5 years because they have no other choice.
In our lifetime or maybe ever there will not be any politician like him. He is the leader that Rush, Mark Levin, and other radio shows have been wanting and telling us about since Reagan left office.
Right now many GOP politicians are going along with Trump because they are scared of him.
There is not another Trump. There will not be a party of Trump because no one can lead the party except him.
True Trump supporters will be without a true leader. Many of his supporters will go back to following the GOP of 5 years because they have no other choice.
In our lifetime or maybe ever there will not be any politician like him. He is the leader that Rush, Mark Levin, and other radio shows have been wanting and telling us about since Reagan left office.
Posted on 9/10/20 at 10:25 am to clhawkins19
A first-past-the-post system is the best
Posted on 9/10/20 at 10:28 am to clhawkins19
Black Lives Matter will likely start their own party after this cycle.
If Trump wins Dems will fracture off big time. There will be an internal civil war.
If Trump wins Dems will fracture off big time. There will be an internal civil war.
Posted on 9/10/20 at 10:37 am to clhawkins19
No. We are not a parliamentary government so there is not the formation of a coalition government. A third party has no representative power in this country. There are a couple of Independent senators and they caucus with the democrat:
Angus King Maine Caucuses with democrats
Bernie Sanders Vermont Caucuses with democrats
You can argue the little independent from Vermont has enormous power within a party he is not a member of.
Angus King Maine Caucuses with democrats
Bernie Sanders Vermont Caucuses with democrats
You can argue the little independent from Vermont has enormous power within a party he is not a member of.
Posted on 9/10/20 at 10:40 am to clhawkins19
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It just seems like the further apart the parties go, it leaves out a huge part of the voter base. Some of us aren’t very far right or left.
I’m not sure what you consider a far right position, but it sounds like you might have a home with most of the national GOP. Is Mitt Romney some sort of hardliner conservative in your eyes?
Now with the current direction of the DNC I’d agree that a moderate leftist wouldn’t see much of a home.
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