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re: Is it a campaign finance violation if it's your own money?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:14 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:14 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
Everything Trump does or ever did is a crime brah. 
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:16 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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The campaign-finance violations concern Cohen’s role in arranging hush-money payments for Daniels and ex-Playboy model Karen McDougal, who also said she had an affair with Trump. Prosecutors said these payments, which served to suppress damaging information about a candidate for federal office, were tantamount illegal campaign contributions to Trump.
Why the tantamount qualifier? Were they illegal or not. If they were tantamount then they were not illegal and if they weren't illegal then they weren't illegal and so why is this an issue?
This is fakenews.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:19 am to LSU Patrick
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He used his own money to settle issues that predated his candidacy. This is a complete nothing burger.
This
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:27 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Exactly, and I hope (if they regain the House) the Democrats try to impeach him on this. Watching that grenade blow up in their collective faces will be classic.
Depends on how many Republicans in the Senate get pissed off with him.
There would be a few Dems in the House and Senate who would take a good long look at Mike Pence and say, "No thanks."
Same mentality as when someone asked Trey Gowdy if the Republican Congress really was interested in trying to impeach Obama and he responded, "Have you ever met Joe Biden?"
As much as the Dems hate Trump, some would rather not see Mike Pence as President.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:33 am to RollTide1987
If it is his own money, it is not a campaign violation, even if it was an attempt to influence the election.....IF HE REPORTED IT. He didn't.
In addition, it's pretty clear that the initial payments were NOT his own money because the president's own attorney went on live television and said the president paid the money BACK. And there was certainly something of value at stake.
It is also a matter of record in a letter from the president's attorneys to the SC that the president instructed Cohen to make the payments.
The evidence for campaign finance violation is clear. What isn't is what the penalty would be. The worst that will happen to the president criminally speaking is being named as an un-indicted co-conspirator since a sitting president cannot be indicted.
The political fallout is anyone's guess.
In addition, it's pretty clear that the initial payments were NOT his own money because the president's own attorney went on live television and said the president paid the money BACK. And there was certainly something of value at stake.
It is also a matter of record in a letter from the president's attorneys to the SC that the president instructed Cohen to make the payments.
The evidence for campaign finance violation is clear. What isn't is what the penalty would be. The worst that will happen to the president criminally speaking is being named as an un-indicted co-conspirator since a sitting president cannot be indicted.
The political fallout is anyone's guess.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:37 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
So the women came to Trump durning his run saying they would out him if he didnt pay ? Sounds like blackmail . Gotcha thanks
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:38 am to Robin Masters
Very fake news to distract you from the fake Russian collusion news that was fake news .
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 9:47 am
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:40 am to MardiGrasRazorback
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If it is his own money, it is not a campaign violation, even if it was an attempt to influence the election.....IF HE REPORTED IT. He didn't.
Your position is that candidates have to report personal expenses. Interesting position.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:41 am to TBoy
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Explain that to the guy who just pled guilty.
I wonder what they threatened to charge him with that got him to plead to a campaign finance violation that's not a violation?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:42 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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The reasoning behind the "campaign finance" angle is because Trump used money to keep quiet information that had the potential to damage his campaign.
This is crux of the issue.
BUT if he can show that he has a pattern of paying people "hush money" way before he ever ran for president, then I think he has a very good case that he views this as a normal business/personal expense. That is, he acted like he always did, and not to "influence an election." And I am pretty sure he can demonstrate that.
Would be curious to hear the opinion of the board's legal eagles on that defense.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:43 am to BigJim
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BUT if he can show that he has a pattern of paying people "hush money" way before he ever ran for president, then I think he has a very good case that he views this as a normal business/personal expense. That is, he acted like he always did, and not to "influence an election." And I am pretty sure he can demonstrate that.
He doesn’t even have to do that.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:44 am to MardiGrasRazorback
Even if this violates the law the typical punishment is a small fine, not impeachment. The Dems are seriously losing it
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:45 am to RollTide1987
I hope this is all a trap orchestrated to show how restarted the left and MSM is.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:46 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
If the money to pay back Cohen came from Trump International, then it would be a hard case to prove because Cohen had been part of the organization and Trump's personal lawyer /fixer that predates his campaign.
The problem is that Cohen does this 3 months before the General Election and that is going to raise flags. If Cohen had done this in May of 2015 , there is not a damn thing anyone can say about it
If Trump is smart he should use that "good brain" of his to STFU right now as it applies to Cohen. Listen to his lawyers and start taking counsel's advice. In this instance, he's not smarter than they are and the Democrats /media and certain Republicans smell blood in the water
The problem is that Cohen does this 3 months before the General Election and that is going to raise flags. If Cohen had done this in May of 2015 , there is not a damn thing anyone can say about it
If Trump is smart he should use that "good brain" of his to STFU right now as it applies to Cohen. Listen to his lawyers and start taking counsel's advice. In this instance, he's not smarter than they are and the Democrats /media and certain Republicans smell blood in the water
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:47 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Trump used money to keep quiet information that had the potential to damage his campaign.
THE HORROR
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:48 am to RollTide1987
Did he report these expenditures? If not, it's a violation. He could have written "$150k to pay off whore I fricked" on his FEC forms and the whole thing would've been legit.
He didn't. He did not report the donations and therefore he violated the law.
He didn't. He did not report the donations and therefore he violated the law.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:48 am to RollTide1987
How did the Clinton Campaign funnel funds to Fusion GPS to create the dossier? Seems like paying a foreign agent to create a phony dossier in order to ruin a candidate is a dirtier use of campaign funds.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:50 am to foshizzle
Ah so this entire time when I thought you guys were worried about ICE and taxes and sanctuary cities and racist cops and fascism and abortions and white people in general what’s actually been keeping you up at night is campaign finance laws? Laws are laws right? Except for that pesky illegal immigration law. And exposing classified documents on an illegal server. Or leaking classified info to the press. Or spying on American citizens using fake intel.
It’s incredible how the entire left become experts in campaign finance law over night. It’s almost as if you’re all full of shite
It’s incredible how the entire left become experts in campaign finance law over night. It’s almost as if you’re all full of shite
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:50 am to mark65mc
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How did the Clinton Campaign funnel funds to Fusion GPS to create the dossier?
The campaign reported payments to Fusion GPS. Perfectly legal.
Trump did not report payments to the women, or Cohen, or AMI, or the shadow company created to make the payments.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:56 am to BamaGradinTn
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Same mentality as when someone asked Trey Gowdy if the Republican Congress really was interested in trying to impeach Obama and he responded, "Have you ever met Joe Biden?"
That's funny!
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