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re: Is it a campaign finance violation if it's your own money?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:03 am to the808bass
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:03 am to the808bass
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He doesn’t even have to do that.
'splain, please
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:08 am to BigJim
Didn't Trump actually tell Cohen to file the expenditure so it would be legit?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:11 am to BigJim
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splain, please
He doesn’t need to prove he’s done it in the past. The fact that he would do it irregularly or that this was the first time, it still wouldn’t make it a campaign expense.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:15 am to TigerCruise
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Even if this violates the law the typical punishment is a small fine, not impeachment. The Dems are seriously losing it
Even if found guilty, its a 5 figure fine
How were other campaigns treated after being found guilty. I love these nothing burgers
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:17 am to the808bass
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He doesn’t need to prove he’s done it in the past. The fact that he would do it irregularly or that this was the first time, it still wouldn’t make it a campaign expense.
That's one defense. Edwards beat the charge by arguing that his payments were made in order to shield his wife, and it worked
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:23 am to RollTide1987
If it’s your own money it is not a campaign finance violation.
If it is someone else’s money it is
If it is someone else’s money it is
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:26 am to MizzouBS
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If it is someone else’s money it is
Jon Edwards and his jury disagree.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:36 am to TigerCruise
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Even if this violates the law the typical punishment is a small fine, not impeachment. The Dems are seriously losing it
1. Not a Democrat.
2. Show me where I said anything about impeachment. My exact words were that the political fallout is anybody's guess.
The Cult of Trump is losing it as quickly as the far left.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:38 am to the808bass
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personal expenses
The payment was for a benefit of the campaign and connected to a particular outcome; thus, it wasn't a "personal" expense.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:46 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:I mean - he lied about it, right?
What cover up?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:49 am to MardiGrasRazorback
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The payment was for a benefit of the campaign and connected to a particular outcome; thus, it wasn't a "personal" expense.
The payment was for a benefit of shielding family from embarrassment and in discussions years before the campaign; thus, is was a “personal” expense.
See how easy that is.
Now what?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:54 am to Hightide12
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The payment was for a benefit of shielding family from embarrassment and in discussions years before the campaign; thus, is was a “personal” expense. See how easy that is.
Precedence has been set
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:22 am to the808bass
Cohen’s violation is different because John Edwards was charged with misusing campaign funds.
Edwards did not pay the donors back
Cohen tried to hide the contributions by setting up a LLC. Then he was paid back by Trump months later. The LLC was not paid back, but Cohen was paid back and Trump knew what Cohen was doing.
It maybe a small difference, but it is a legal difference. It also has to do with bank fraud by Cohen by lying to the bank.
What Cohen did is a felony and that may not be a felony on Trumps behalf, but it is different than John Edwards.
Edwards did not pay the donors back
Cohen tried to hide the contributions by setting up a LLC. Then he was paid back by Trump months later. The LLC was not paid back, but Cohen was paid back and Trump knew what Cohen was doing.
It maybe a small difference, but it is a legal difference. It also has to do with bank fraud by Cohen by lying to the bank.
What Cohen did is a felony and that may not be a felony on Trumps behalf, but it is different than John Edwards.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:33 am to RollTide1987
why was stormy daniels at a celebrity golf tournament in lake Tahoe?
was it to play in the golf tournament? no.
was it because the only thing that women are good for is to please rich men? yes.
if you know of a better reason why stormy daniels goes to a celebrity golf tournament let me know.
was it to play in the golf tournament? no.
was it because the only thing that women are good for is to please rich men? yes.
if you know of a better reason why stormy daniels goes to a celebrity golf tournament let me know.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:37 am to Hightide12
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The payment was for a benefit of shielding family from embarrassment and in discussions years before the campaign; thus, is was a “personal” expense.
See how easy that is.
Now what?
The payment was made days before the election when the information was threatened to be published. Are you seriously going to argue there were no election implications? You don’t pay someone $130,000 at that exact moment by coincidence
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 11:38 am
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:43 am to cahoots
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Are you seriously going to argue there were no election implications?
again, all we are saying is that John Edwards used the excuse that he paid the hush money to protect his wife and family and he got away with it. What's the difference?
According to election Laws, if the candidate can prove that there could be ANY other reason for the payments then they can't be considered campaign improprieties.
So, Trump can show that he's paid hush money before he was ever a candidate and viola, no violation
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 11:49 am
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:46 am to cahoots
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The payment was made days before the election when the information was threatened to be published. Are you seriously going to argue there were no election implications? You don’t pay someone $130,000 at that exact moment by coincidence
Days? Check your facts. Sure there were election implications, everything the candidate did would have election implications (whatever that’s suppose to mean). Still not a crime for someone to pay(reimburse) hush money.
And the negotiations for payment/buying the story/hush money were ongoing since what, 2012? Easily personal expenses and not a crime in any way shape or form, sorry friend.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:46 am to Vecchio Cane
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ur own money? by Vecchio Cane
What happens if Trump can show that he had Cohen pay hush money to people before he ever ran for office? What else was Cohen for?
I think that was already established a few months back.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:47 am to Stuttgart Tiger
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We've had so many nothing burgers that I feel like we're in a competitive eating contest.
What sucks is when you eat nothing burgers you never get full
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:47 am to AlceeFortier
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hhh. All the posters here know the campaign finance laws very well.....NOT. There are individual limits and using the laws to cover up for other payments is a problem.
What is your legal background that gives you insight into whether this was a violation or not? You have been making lots of legal claims today. “Conspiracy” without listing an underlying crime and now “using laws to....”is a problem? This is very strangely worded. So, I notice you mocking the boards legal expertise. What is yours?
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