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re: Iran destroys Terminal 1 at Kuwait International Airport. At least 1 dead with 68 injured
Posted on 6/3/26 at 12:49 pm to AlterEd
Posted on 6/3/26 at 12:49 pm to AlterEd
We are current hegemon or we wouldn’t have struck Iran because we wouldn’t care.
You might think we are looking to divest but our current stance, obligations and actions don’t reflect that perspective.
Trump says we attacked them.
BBC: Trump Announces Strikes
Kuwait is a client state. We invaded Iraq to free them, they pay us to remain in theater and we supply them with military and other goods.
You’re not arguing facts here.
You might think we are looking to divest but our current stance, obligations and actions don’t reflect that perspective.
Trump says we attacked them.
BBC: Trump Announces Strikes
Kuwait is a client state. We invaded Iraq to free them, they pay us to remain in theater and we supply them with military and other goods.
You’re not arguing facts here.
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:05 pm to WeeWee
dup
This post was edited on 6/3/26 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:07 pm to WeeWee
quote:Iran was attacked first in all of this
Iran don't give a goat f**k about violating the Geneva Convention.
American bombs killed kids at an all girls school where was your outrage then?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:14 pm to atlgamecockman
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Why do you never acknowledge 1953? Why can't anyone on this board acknowledge that we started it by trying regime change?
My guess is because few here were even alive then and it was so long ago as to not really matter anymore. At some point the chain of events leading up to today has to have some kind of limit of relevance.
Otherwise to be logically consistent you'd have to support BLM because there used to be Jim Crow laws and slavery or complain about stolen land.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:16 pm to wackatimesthree
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At some point the chain of events leading up to today has to have some kind of limit of relevance.
So we can safely rule out things from 47 years ago as a point of contention I assume?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:17 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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Iran was attacked first in all of this
That's true.
Iranian citizens/civilian were attacked and killed by the tens of thousands.
By their own government and military. Depending on who you ask, they killed 4-5 times as many people as we have.
Where was YOUR outrage then?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:18 pm to Powerman
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So we can safely rule out things from 47 years ago as a point of contention I assume?
Depends on what we're talking about.
Do you cry over stolen land?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:19 pm to loogaroo
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We have destroyed everything. They are capable of manufacturing a few more drones, but not for long. Trump is going to wait this out a little longer.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:19 pm to wackatimesthree
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That's true.
Iranian citizens/civilian were attacked and killed by the tens of thousands.
By their own government and military. Depending on who you ask, they killed 4-5 times as many people as we have.
Where was YOUR outrage then?
we are not the world police no one else sees us as such we should stop acting like it.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:20 pm to wackatimesthree
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That's true.
Iranian citizens/civilian were attacked and killed by the tens of thousands.
By their own government and military. Depending on who you ask, they killed 4-5 times as many people as we have.
Where was YOUR outrage then?
Great, so why are we not toppling regimes that are even worse than Iran? Iran, Nigeria and 30 other nations in Africa. It is because Israel goaded us into it and orange man bit.. It was a massive mistake that will hurt midterms and bring more suffering around the region.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:28 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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we are not the world police
The frick we're not. Also, stop with your whining about hitting a civilian target if your response to being reminded of the fact that we stopped a humanitarian crisis in Iran with this war in which some estimate as many as 40,000 people were killed by the Iranian government is the uber-non-original trope, "We're not the world's police."
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no one else sees us as such
Until they need us. Then they sure as frick do.
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we should stop acting like it.
My scorecard says that when we were stupid enough to think that we could ignore the rest of the world's affairs without consequence to us (which would have been roughly the first 150 years of our existence), we had several wars on our own soil, two world wars we got pulled into, and one of them included the detonation of nuclear weapons on civilians.
Since we grew up and realized that we can either intervene early or late and early is better, we've had zero world wars, zero wars on our own soil, and zero incidences of nuclear weapons being detonated on civilians. And we defeated the greatest threat to not only us, but all life on the planet in the U.S.S.R.
Anybody who thinks we ought to go back to the first way we operated is fricking stupid. I guess that's you.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:31 pm to DeBoar
quote:Not a justification for not following the law of war.
Correct and neither should we. Enemies don’t play fair in war.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:34 pm to Chuck Barris
You just don’t understand 17D chess, commie.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:35 pm to aubie101
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Great, so why are we not toppling regimes that are even worse than Iran? Iran, Nigeria and 30 other nations in Africa. It is because Israel goaded us into it and orange man bit.. It was a massive mistake that will hurt midterms and bring more suffering around the region.
You think the fact that Iran themselves told our officials that they had enriched uranium and estimated the number of bombs they could make with it also had something to do with it?
I know y'all Klan members with IDS can't stand this FACT, but Israel had frick all to do with that.
Which of the other regimes you mentioned have done that? And of those, which of them are governed by fundamentalist theocracies with an enemy that they have sworn to blow off the face of the Earth, such that we can be sure that if they did get a nuke, they'd definitely use it?
This is why y'all are so stupid.
Making choices about intervention still has to be in our best interest before we act. Sometimes it benefits America and we act, sometimes it doesn't and we don't.
The humanitarian angle was relevant to the guy I posted it to because he was feigning horror at a military operation unintentionally hitting a civilian target and making the whole thing about that.
Otherwise, you're right. We act when we perceive that we have something to gain, and we don't when we don't.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:37 pm to wackatimesthree
I never said the U.S. should ignore the rest of the world. I said we shouldn't act as the world's police. Those aren't the same thing.
The choice isn't "intervene everywhere" or "isolationism." There is a middle ground where we defend our interests, support allies and use diplomacy without assuming responsibility for every conflict on the planet.
You also can't simply point to the absence of a world war since 1945 and conclude that every U.S. intervention has been wise or necessary. Some interventions may have prevented larger conflicts; others created new problems at enormous human and financial cost.
Reasonable people can disagree about where that line should be. Calling everyone who disagrees with your preferred level of intervention "fricking stupid" isn't an argument.
The choice isn't "intervene everywhere" or "isolationism." There is a middle ground where we defend our interests, support allies and use diplomacy without assuming responsibility for every conflict on the planet.
You also can't simply point to the absence of a world war since 1945 and conclude that every U.S. intervention has been wise or necessary. Some interventions may have prevented larger conflicts; others created new problems at enormous human and financial cost.
Reasonable people can disagree about where that line should be. Calling everyone who disagrees with your preferred level of intervention "fricking stupid" isn't an argument.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:38 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:this guy also believes we will find WMD's any day now in Iraq.
You think the fact that Iran themselves told our officials that they had enriched uranium and estimated the number of bombs they could make with it also had something to do with it?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:42 pm to Nurbis
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I believe the thousands of executions and murders had the desired effect the IRGC was looking for.
Wasn't that before US operations started? Seems like we could back them with air support now.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:44 pm to RFK
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Not a justification for not following the law of war.
I don’t think you understand how the UCMJ and “laws of war” truly impact our military service members. Most people on here throw a fit and say they won’t vote again because they didn’t get what they wanted quick enough.
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