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re: Iowa man sentenced to 16 YEARS for burning a flag. A FLAG
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:56 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:56 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I mean he fricked with someone else’s property so I’m fine with him being punished. But we don’t need hate crime laws for that.
Not only do we not NEED them, they undermine the fundamentals of the US Constitution. Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of criminal and First Amendment legal principles can do the analysis. Again BY DEFINITION hate crimes punish thoughts and beliefs. The aspects of thought and belief that relate to underlying crimes are already completely addressed in the mental state elements of the crimes. The only thing left over is protected by the First Amendment. Period.
Those who have passed and continue enforcing these laws are enemies of the Constitution.
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Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:56 pm to Powerman
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Sure if it's your flag
If you take someone's American flag and burn it it's not a hate crime. You committed some minor misdemeanor theft type charge and would be able to be sued in civil court for the value
Same should apply here
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:57 pm to YF12
Agreed
Posted on 12/19/19 at 4:58 pm to Placebeaux
I have no problem with this punishment for VIOLENT hate crimes. But seriously.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 5:00 pm to Placebeaux
Need to appeal that.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 5:01 pm to crazyatthecamp
Radical progressives should be treated like terrorists and put down or locked up by any means necessary.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 5:03 pm to Placebeaux
Clown world.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 5:03 pm to McLemore
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McLemore
Sorry, I downvoted you by mistake.
The guy deserves a $250 fine.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 5:04 pm to Powerman
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quote:
I thought flag burning was protected by the 1st ammendment
Sure if it's your flag
So he gets 16 years for destruction of property of less than $100?
Yeah...that's gonna survive constitutional challenge
Posted on 12/19/19 at 5:05 pm to Placebeaux
quote:
Adolfo Martinez
Burned LGBTQ flag and pissed off the left
Is brown and pissed off the right
Surprised he just got 16 years, seems like death penalty should have been the sentence.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 5:07 pm to Placebeaux
What the frick.
He could have beat the hell out of an actual gay dude and not get a 16 year sentence.
An inanimate LGBTQTIIMWQTE flag is worth more than an actual gay person?
He could have beat the hell out of an actual gay dude and not get a 16 year sentence.
An inanimate LGBTQTIIMWQTE flag is worth more than an actual gay person?
Posted on 12/19/19 at 5:11 pm to Cheese Grits
This ruling is about setting a precedent.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 5:21 pm to BamaFan365
quote:there are two separate issues. Yes, burning a flag constitutes protected speech under the first amendment… provided that you owned the flag in question and are not destroying someone else’s property. If you burn someone else’s flag, you have encroached upon their property rights, and are subject to appropriate criminal penalties therefore.
I thought flag burning was protected by the 1st ammendment
You cannot burn someone else’s flag as political speech, anymore than you can burn their house as political speech.
this guy seems to have burned someone else’s rainbow flag, rather than simply buying one and burning that one. It was a pretty stupid thing to do.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 5:23 pm to Placebeaux
quote:if you go to the flag store and buy a Russian flag or an Iranian flag, yes burning that flag would constitute protected speech under the first amendment.
So I cant burn a Russian flag or an Iranian flag?
If you go into Abdul‘s front yard, pull his flag down off his porch, and burn it, you have encroached upon his property rights and are subject to criminal penalty.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 5:23 pm to AggieHank86
Flag makers probably like flag burners as they sell more flags?
Posted on 12/19/19 at 5:26 pm to crazyatthecamp
quote:no, you are mistaken. Whether 20 years ago, or a century ago, if you took someone else’s property from them and destroyed it, you will be subject to criminal criminal penalty. That has not changed.
20 years ago this would have been ridiculous.
Radical progressive ideology is ruining this nation
The hate crime element of this thing is ridiculous. I have always felt that “hate crimes“ should be handled under the basic substantive statute.
If you destroy someone’s property by burning it, it should not matter whether it is a flag, a tree, or a stack of magazines. The penalty should be the same, regardless of whether you did it because you were trying to make a political point, or simply because you were in a pyromaniacal mood.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 5:26 pm to AggieHank86
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this guy seems to have burned someone else’s rainbow flag, rather than simply buying one and burning that one. It was a pretty stupid thing to do
16 years is the kind of shite you get for burning someone's house down
A fricking flag? Absurd
Posted on 12/19/19 at 5:29 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:Succinct and accurate.
Stop being ridiculous. Someone (you?) asked 'can I not burn a flag?' and we simply said you can burn YOUR flag. You cannot burn MINE.
frick "hate crimes"
I cannot help wondering what are these people actually do not grasp this simple concept, or whether they are being intentionally obtuse.
Posted on 12/19/19 at 5:31 pm to AggieHank86
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I cannot help wondering what are these people actually do not grasp this simple concept, or whether they are being intentionally obtuse
Oh. I agree that if you burn my shite, punishment is warranted
But the whole 16 year thing is just silly
Posted on 12/19/19 at 5:31 pm to Placebeaux
I understand that Iowa has a very liberal element to it considering that it’s a rural state, but they couldn’t land one ‘baw’ on the jury?
This is a misdemeanor crime all day long in my neck of the woods - Criminal Trespass.
Finally, the church from which it was taken is apostate.
This is a misdemeanor crime all day long in my neck of the woods - Criminal Trespass.
Finally, the church from which it was taken is apostate.
This post was edited on 12/19/19 at 5:33 pm
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