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Posted on 11/1/25 at 11:49 am to Your QB1
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How about surgeons that didn't graduate med school?
Is that also a good thing ?
We're about to get a surgeon general without a medical license
Posted on 11/1/25 at 1:06 pm to TrueTiger
Back in the day, one "read for the law", i.e. , you were apprenticed to a practicing attorney, and learned from him, plus studied the legal texts. When you thought you were ready, you took the bar exam.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 1:53 pm to Your QB1
Other notable girl-bosses too bossy to pass the bar exam:
Kamala Harris
Hillary Clinton
Michelle Obama
Kim Kardashian
Kamala Harris
Hillary Clinton
Michelle Obama
Kim Kardashian
Posted on 11/1/25 at 2:01 pm to Your QB1
quote:Two responses.
In the United States, there is no federal requirement for judges to have a law degree
As to FEDERAL judicial position, it would be entirely appropriate to implement a requirement that one be an attorney to hold the position. The corollary question is whether than can be accomplished by statute or would need a Constitutional amendment. I suspect the latter.
As to STATE judicial positions, I would oppose any such federal requirement ... because I actually believe in federalism.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 2:06 pm to Your QB1
Seven states don't require one complete law school to take the bar.
One need only work under a licensed attorney for X number of years.
One need only work under a licensed attorney for X number of years.
This post was edited on 11/1/25 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 11/1/25 at 2:09 pm to TrueTiger
quote:Can you name one?
We've had very good non-lawyers on SCOTUS
I've always heard there is no requirement to be on tUSSC. Apparently all who have served have been lawyers and/or trained in the law. Possibly all nominees as well. But a law degree/training/passing the bar is not required
However you must be a lawyer to be US Attorney General
Posted on 11/1/25 at 2:12 pm to Kafka
James Byrnes.
You cannot do worse than KJB and she meets the qualification of having a law degree, passing the bar, and being a judge.
None of these qualifications guarantee you're going to get a competent Supreme Court Justice.
You cannot do worse than KJB and she meets the qualification of having a law degree, passing the bar, and being a judge.
None of these qualifications guarantee you're going to get a competent Supreme Court Justice.
This post was edited on 11/1/25 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 11/1/25 at 2:17 pm to TrueTiger
Wiki:
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James Byrnes.
quote:
In 1900, Byrnes's cousin, Governor Miles B. McSweeney, appointed him as a clerk for Judge Robert Aldrich of Aiken. As he needed to be 21 to take this position, Byrnes, his mother, and McSweeney changed his date of birth to that of his older sister, Leonora. He later apprenticed to a lawyer, then a common practice, read for the law, and was admitted to the bar in 1903. In 1908, he was appointed solicitor for the second circuit of South Carolina and served until 1910.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 2:19 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Meh, our law schools are retard factories.
Look at the lawyers on this board.
No kidding.
Based on the contributions of a handful of attorneys on this very forum, it often seems a law degree is antithetical to sound judgment, if not a sound mind.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 2:22 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
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As to STATE judicial positions, I would oppose any such federal requirement ... because I actually believe in federalism.
You don’t have to be a law school graduate to understand the Tenth Amendment: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
In short, the authority not specifically assigned to or restricted from the federal government cannot be presumed by that government; such powers are reserved for the states.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 2:22 pm to Kafka
We should bring back apprenticeship for lawyers.
Will probably get a better quality product than the woke trash or law schools are pumping out.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 2:29 pm to Your QB1
That's eye-opening, for sure.
I had no idea that here in the USA in many places being a lawyer is not necessary for you to be a Judge.
Wow. We really do know how to screw ourselves. We did a great job of destroying the Confederate States of America but we aren't doing a good job of saving the United States of America.
I give the USA another 150 years, tops.
I had no idea that here in the USA in many places being a lawyer is not necessary for you to be a Judge.
Wow. We really do know how to screw ourselves. We did a great job of destroying the Confederate States of America but we aren't doing a good job of saving the United States of America.
I give the USA another 150 years, tops.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 2:29 pm to Gaspergou202
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Then the judge does his own research and judges.
Some of these judges seem to rely on reddit for their research.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 2:33 pm to Your QB1
You could in good faith argue that folks with law degrees have done more harm to this country than ones without
Posted on 11/1/25 at 2:45 pm to MoarKilometers
The Surgeon General isn’t actively seeing patients and doesn’t impact anything I do on a daily basis in the medical field
Posted on 11/1/25 at 2:49 pm to SuperSaint
quote:
You could in good faith argue that folks with law degrees have done more harm to this country than ones without
Indeed
We have a SCOTUS Justice that can't tell you what a woman is.
We have a number of loons like Boasberg who intentionally ignore the law in order to implement their political agendas. Neither a law degree nor the bar prevented the system from being infiltrated by bad actors like these.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 3:20 pm to Your QB1
I am not defending the policy of allowing non-licensed people to be magistrates, but these state/county level magistrates are just placeholders following a script.
This magistrate in NC, for example, was most likely working overnight and most likely the State's lawyer did not ask for bail as a matter of the DA's policy. In fact, Governor Cooper ad encouraged a lot of these Soros-backed criminal reforms like no cash bail, etc.. These magistrates are not deciding cases or really any matters of law at all - just a gatekeeper right after an arrest.
The real ire should be directed at the politicians - Governor, DA, some state legislators, who bought into this ridiculous over-incarceration of minorities as some sort of great injustice or Jim Crow 2. Idiots - all of them. In the North Carolina case - I will never understand how that guy served as little time for his violent offenses before he murdered the ukranian lady.
This magistrate in NC, for example, was most likely working overnight and most likely the State's lawyer did not ask for bail as a matter of the DA's policy. In fact, Governor Cooper ad encouraged a lot of these Soros-backed criminal reforms like no cash bail, etc.. These magistrates are not deciding cases or really any matters of law at all - just a gatekeeper right after an arrest.
The real ire should be directed at the politicians - Governor, DA, some state legislators, who bought into this ridiculous over-incarceration of minorities as some sort of great injustice or Jim Crow 2. Idiots - all of them. In the North Carolina case - I will never understand how that guy served as little time for his violent offenses before he murdered the ukranian lady.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 6:27 pm to TrueTiger
Lawyers should be like engineers and doctors- an apprenticeship of some type should absolutely be required.
Law schools shouldn’t necessarily be required, but a bar exam of some type should be, as well as a satisfactory clerkship of at least a year.
I guess you could pass a bar exam of some type without going to law school, but you definitely would have to have someone teach you how to do it. Plus, going to law school is no guarantee you’ll pass the bar. Ask people who went to Southern.
Judges who were never practicing attorneys make the worst judges. I think it’s why ACB has been such a flop. She’s smart AF, but she’s never really had to deal with an a-hole client, an a-hole attorney on the other side, or a judge who has never practiced in the real world. Non-lawyer judges don’t have to see what the consequences of your rulings can do to people. It’s bad enough being before a judge who has only ever been a government lawyer, I can only imagine it would be infinitely worse to be before someone who works for the government, puts on a robe, and then goes on a fricking power trip.
I’d be fuming pissed if I were stuck before some magistrate who never practiced law and I were having to watch a client get rickrolled by some non lawyer’s idea of “justice.”
I won’t even consent to mediators or arbitrators (and I fricking hate arbitration) who are not lawyers.
Law schools shouldn’t necessarily be required, but a bar exam of some type should be, as well as a satisfactory clerkship of at least a year.
I guess you could pass a bar exam of some type without going to law school, but you definitely would have to have someone teach you how to do it. Plus, going to law school is no guarantee you’ll pass the bar. Ask people who went to Southern.
Judges who were never practicing attorneys make the worst judges. I think it’s why ACB has been such a flop. She’s smart AF, but she’s never really had to deal with an a-hole client, an a-hole attorney on the other side, or a judge who has never practiced in the real world. Non-lawyer judges don’t have to see what the consequences of your rulings can do to people. It’s bad enough being before a judge who has only ever been a government lawyer, I can only imagine it would be infinitely worse to be before someone who works for the government, puts on a robe, and then goes on a fricking power trip.
I’d be fuming pissed if I were stuck before some magistrate who never practiced law and I were having to watch a client get rickrolled by some non lawyer’s idea of “justice.”
I won’t even consent to mediators or arbitrators (and I fricking hate arbitration) who are not lawyers.
Posted on 11/1/25 at 8:25 pm to Stat M Repairman
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Kim Kardashian
She passed the “baby bar”, a test for first year law students.
She has not passed the California bar and is not a licensed attorney.
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