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Important but subtle question about the Ukraine situation.
Posted on 11/3/19 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 11/3/19 at 9:35 pm
I will say this I do believe it would have been improper for Trump to have requested an investigation of Joe Biden. Not impeachable necessarily but improper.
Now what would NOT be improper would be an investigation to the 2016 election interference which there were numerous news stories in the run up to the 2016 election regarding Ukrainian oligarchs providing monetary and other support to Hillary’s campaign. This is well documented and not controversial that this happened. There were threads about it here at the time.
So I think the distinction between these two things needs to be made clear to the public. Not sure why Trump’s people aren’t hammering this in the media every day, but they should be.
Now what would NOT be improper would be an investigation to the 2016 election interference which there were numerous news stories in the run up to the 2016 election regarding Ukrainian oligarchs providing monetary and other support to Hillary’s campaign. This is well documented and not controversial that this happened. There were threads about it here at the time.
So I think the distinction between these two things needs to be made clear to the public. Not sure why Trump’s people aren’t hammering this in the media every day, but they should be.
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Posted on 11/3/19 at 9:38 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Let the people decide next November if it was improper or not. I am uncomfortable with the concept of removing a prez only one year away from an election.
I am firmly in the "may be bad, but not impeachable" boat.
I am firmly in the "may be bad, but not impeachable" boat.
Posted on 11/3/19 at 9:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Completely agree. It is actually totally absurd to have these proceedings in an election year and the voters are going to reject it. Unbelievably bad political miscalculation by the Democrats IMO.
Posted on 11/3/19 at 9:42 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I am firmly in the "may be bad, but not impeachable" boat.
I am firmly in the Pelosi and Schiff should be removed from office. Trump did nothing wrong, bad, or impeachable.
The whistleblower is a leaker, and should not receive WB protection. Should be fired too.
Posted on 11/3/19 at 9:50 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Joe is on video publicly acknowledging removal of a prosecutor in Ukraine investigating his son in exchange for US Foreign Aid money. Money that later went missing.
I'd say not only was it proper to ask Ukraine to investigate, but that in fact, to not ask to investigate would be improper.
I'd say not only was it proper to ask Ukraine to investigate, but that in fact, to not ask to investigate would be improper.
Posted on 11/3/19 at 9:51 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
Mueller had 13 countries looking into the Trump Russia hoax. So Trump looking into corruption that affects the United States is a crime? bullshite. The Dems know they can’t beat Trump at the polls so this is their plan to oust him. This is why they are doing it in an election year. Their lies will come out. The media ties also.
Posted on 11/3/19 at 9:56 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
How about a sitting vice president currying favors from a foreign government with the threat of political blackmail, which by the way is on tape? I still say this has nothing to do with Biden the 2020 possible candidate for president if the truth be known.
Posted on 11/3/19 at 9:59 pm to djmicrobe
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I am firmly in the Pelosi and Schiff should be removed from office.
I hope that soon you will firmly believe they be hanged.
Posted on 11/3/19 at 10:30 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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Not impeachable necessarily but improper.
Quote the improper part. I bet you can’t.
You sound like the concerned trolls on Fox News who want the impeachment hoax to continue for ratings.
Posted on 11/3/19 at 10:36 pm to Homesick Tiger
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I still say this has nothing to do with Biden the 2020 possible candidate for president if the truth be known.
Me thinks you are right.
Posted on 11/3/19 at 11:19 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
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Now what would NOT be improper would be an investigation to the 2016 election interference which there were numerous news stories in the run up to the 2016 election regarding Ukrainian oligarchs providing monetary and other support to Hillary’s campaign. This is well documented and not controversial that this happened. There were threads about it here at the time.
Biden’s ties to Ukraine made it possible for the administration to easily blackmail them into trying to affect the 2016 election. An investigation into the 2016 election by Ukraine is by default, an investigation into Biden’s shady dealings.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 12:04 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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Not impeachable necessarily but improper.
We will hear this more and more in the coming weeks. Whistleblower complaint looks more credible evety day and he is willing to testify under oath.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 12:22 am to bmy
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Whistleblower complaint looks more credible evety day and he is willing to testify under oath.
Link?
Shiff said he would not be testifying under oath?
Who is the WB? Is it the Pajama Soy Boy with the Italian name working for John Brennan? Is it the Nerdy LTC of Ukrainian lineage that hates America and DJT?
Oh Goody. I can't wait for this. Probably as convincing as Blowsey Ford See Aye Ae Honeypot that tried to take out Kavanaugh.
Bring it. PDJT has done NOTHING wrong.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 12:36 am to bmy
It's starting to come out that there is no actual WB and that the information obtained actually came from more illegal eavesdropping. Deep state continues to do underhanded if not illegal acts to try and ruin the credibility of a sitting president.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 12:38 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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I will say this I do believe it would have been improper for Trump to have requested an investigation of Joe Biden. Not impeachable necessarily but improper.
Trump is about to get the Bill Clinton treatment, he is going to be impeached over some process nonsense and it will mean nothing while both sides claim victory, Viva La America.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 1:02 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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I do believe it would have been improper for Trump to have requested an investigation of Joe Biden.
So, all I have to do is throw my name into the ring for the primary of any public office and investigation into any criminal activity in my past or the past of my offspring is now off limits? Are you fricking crazy? There is no law making him immune from investigation while running in the primary. There is no precedent for this kind of bullshite.
This post was edited on 11/4/19 at 1:11 am
Posted on 11/4/19 at 1:04 am to djmicrobe
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I am firmly in the Pelosi and Schiff should be removed from office. Trump did nothing wrong, bad, or impeachable. The whistleblower is a leaker, and should not receive WB protection. Should be fired too.
Correct.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 1:43 am to cave canem
idk dude. the west as it is must suffer the karma of starting feminism and trying to force it all over the world under the false pretense of freedom and democracy.
for that alone, the west should have already been burned to the ground, like it happened to the Sodom and Gomorrah, to serve as an example to all others in the future. this is why I'm leaving the states within five years.
it's over for us. trust me on this
but perhaps you didnt get the message yet, and we need it to be way more clear and we need to go deeper into the mess so we learn a tough lesson.
things need to get worse before they get better. and they will. just wait
I'll probably be in Chile by then while you all are suffering
for that alone, the west should have already been burned to the ground, like it happened to the Sodom and Gomorrah, to serve as an example to all others in the future. this is why I'm leaving the states within five years.
it's over for us. trust me on this
but perhaps you didnt get the message yet, and we need it to be way more clear and we need to go deeper into the mess so we learn a tough lesson.
things need to get worse before they get better. and they will. just wait
I'll probably be in Chile by then while you all are suffering
Posted on 11/4/19 at 5:07 am to LSUTigersVCURams
We know that Trump was digging into the Ukraine situation long before the July 25 phone call----and so the whistleblowers and deep state also knew When the Mueller report didn't offer up the goods to impeach Trump when it was released on April 18, they needed Plan B. Biden didn't announce his run until April 25, months later than Warren, Harris, and Sanders. In my opinion, they decided they'd get him on his dealings with Ukraine, but knew it would look worse for Trump if Biden were a current political opponent, so they pretty much forced Biden to enter the race. It was reported that the NSC SUGGESTED to Trump that he call the new president after the election, thereby setting up a perfect scenario for the whistleblower to do his thing.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 5:19 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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I will say this I do believe it would have been improper for Trump to have requested an investigation of Joe Biden. Not impeachable necessarily but improper.
Why? We have an agreement with Ukraine for this exact sort of thing.
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