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re: Important but subtle question about the Ukraine situation.

Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:36 am to
Posted by tigernchicago
Alabama
Member since Sep 2003
5075 posts
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:36 am to
Its not just Joe and Hunter Biden..

John Kerry stepson Heinz...

Nancy Pelosi's son Paul, Jr

See the attached regarding Paul JR

LINK /
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124180 posts
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:51 am to
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The US called for Shokin to be investigated and/or removed at least twice in 2015
Do you know why?
Do you know how that conversation got started?
If you don't, you should.

US actions in Ukraine during the 2014-2017 timeframe stink to high heaven. There are appearances of a money laundering apparatus run through the US Embassy in Kiev. US taxpayer funding for Shokin's investigations and/or the NABU, disappeared. Shokin brought accounting errors to attention of the US Ambassador who told Shokin it was none of his business . . . . money promised to Shokin's UGP office to help fund investigations was "none of his business." Instead, much of funding the UGP was supposed to receive instead was funnelled outside of accounting channels to David Sakvarelidze. Sakvarelidze was a foreign plant put in place for the apparent sole purpose of undercutting the UGP. He is the same guy now claiming anyone looking into Joe, Hunter, and/or Burisma is "deeply corrupt".
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124180 posts
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:57 am to
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If the US opens an investigation the Ukraine is obligated to provide assistance.
Not according to the three US Democrat Senators who threatened to withhold US aid if Ukraine undertook the investigation.
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There is plenty of information that can be investigated in the US -- communications/correspondence, interview witnesses, memos, etc.

Are you under the impression that is not happening?

Let's put it another way. What is the harm in Ukraine looking at this? What are you worried about? Why are Dems working so hard to obstruct the effort?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 11/4/19 at 12:12 pm to
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Let's put it another way. What is the harm in Ukraine looking at this? What are you worried about? Why are Dems working so hard to obstruct the effort?


What is the harm with the UK, Italy, and Australia looking into the Trump campaigns ties to Russia and sharing that information with the US to justify an investigation?

Seems to me that anyone who is upset with spygate should oppose this back-channel fishing expedition too.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39569 posts
Posted on 11/4/19 at 12:18 pm to
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We will hear this more and more in the coming weeks.


no we wont

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histleblower complaint looks more credible evety day


No its not.
Posted by Vestigial Morgan
Member since Apr 2016
3048 posts
Posted on 11/4/19 at 12:37 pm to
I don't see an issue with it. He didn't ask the Ukrainian leader to indict or imprision Bidden...he askes him to work with the US Attny

Also..i had enough Left tell me during the Mueller investigation that I should be happy that - opened ended ...well find what we find onvestigation - tax fraud issues were brought to light. "If Manafort was doing something illegal then its a good thing that he was caught"...i would apply the same logic here
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 11/4/19 at 1:22 pm to
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Not according to the three US Democrat Senators who threatened to withhold US aid if Ukraine undertook the investigation.


Link it my recollection is that it was a letter reinforcing support and requesting their cooperation.

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Are you under the impression that is not happening?

Let's put it another way. What is the harm in Ukraine looking at this? What are you worried about? Why are Dems working so hard to obstruct the effort?


It's not happening in any official capacity
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