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re: Important but subtle question about the Ukraine situation.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 8:38 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 11/4/19 at 8:38 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I am firmly in the "may be bad, but not impeachable" boat.
I'm in the "Not clear on what is supposed to be bad, let alone illegal" about it boat.
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Posted on 11/4/19 at 8:41 am to Sidicous
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I'd say not only was it proper to ask Ukraine to investigate, but that in fact, to not ask to investigate would be improper.
Agreed..especially since we have a specific Treaty with that specific country to share and co operate in criminal matters...soo.
*serious question. Why is this never brought up??*
Posted on 11/4/19 at 8:45 am to bmy
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Whistleblower complaint looks more credible evety day
Can you provides some examples that led you to that conclusion?
Thanks in advance.
*A spelling error??!? Do you know that invalidates every other thing you say??*
Posted on 11/4/19 at 8:47 am to LSUTigersVCURams
Yes. Trumps team should be hammering home the treaty and the election interference aspect of all this.
Like Trump said, the phone call was perfect. And there’s a treaty. Why is no one talking about the treaty? Considering the treaty this should be “case closed”.
Furthermore as we all know, Biden is on tape admitting to his bribe. & The prosecutor was indeed fired a few days before he was scheduled to interview Biden’s son. This took place when Biden was Vice President, not just a “political opponent” and it likely ties into the whole conception of the Russia BS since Crowdstrike played a role in protecting the server. Aren’t the Dems concerned about foreign interference in our elections?
Why isn’t the Trump team plastering this treaty everywhere?
https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf
Like Trump said, the phone call was perfect. And there’s a treaty. Why is no one talking about the treaty? Considering the treaty this should be “case closed”.
Furthermore as we all know, Biden is on tape admitting to his bribe. & The prosecutor was indeed fired a few days before he was scheduled to interview Biden’s son. This took place when Biden was Vice President, not just a “political opponent” and it likely ties into the whole conception of the Russia BS since Crowdstrike played a role in protecting the server. Aren’t the Dems concerned about foreign interference in our elections?
Why isn’t the Trump team plastering this treaty everywhere?
https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf
Posted on 11/4/19 at 8:48 am to bmy
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Pushing (with bipartisan support) for a prosecutor general to be fired after his office impeded/fricked up a criminal investigation into Burismas president
So you're saying Biden was trying to get his son investigated?
Posted on 11/4/19 at 8:50 am to cave canem
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Trump is about to get the Bill Clinton treatment, he is going to be impeached over some process nonsense
Perjury is a process crime?
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:03 am to NC_Tigah
You forgot a few items:LINK /
-The US called for Shokin to be investigated and/or removed at least twice in 2015 and Biden enjoyed rare bipartisan support on the issue before Shokin was removed in 2016
-In January 2015, more than a year before Shokin was fired, the U.K. Central Criminal Court, in a lengthy written decision, concluded that there was no reasonable cause to believe that Mr. Zlochevskyi’s assets were unlawfully acquired as a result of misconduct while he served in public office. In addition, the U.K. court found that the SFO materially and significantly failed to disclose relevant documents favorable to Mr. Zlochevskyi.
-In September 2016, the Pechersk District Court of the City of Kyiv concluded that no criminal procedures should be taken against Mr. Zlochevskyi. In other words, the Pechersk District Court reached the same conclusion as the U.K. Central Criminal Court.
-The allegation against Biden come from Parnas and Fruman
-The US called for Shokin to be investigated and/or removed at least twice in 2015 and Biden enjoyed rare bipartisan support on the issue before Shokin was removed in 2016
-In January 2015, more than a year before Shokin was fired, the U.K. Central Criminal Court, in a lengthy written decision, concluded that there was no reasonable cause to believe that Mr. Zlochevskyi’s assets were unlawfully acquired as a result of misconduct while he served in public office. In addition, the U.K. court found that the SFO materially and significantly failed to disclose relevant documents favorable to Mr. Zlochevskyi.
-In September 2016, the Pechersk District Court of the City of Kyiv concluded that no criminal procedures should be taken against Mr. Zlochevskyi. In other words, the Pechersk District Court reached the same conclusion as the U.K. Central Criminal Court.
-The allegation against Biden come from Parnas and Fruman
This post was edited on 11/4/19 at 9:04 am
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:11 am to NC_Tigah
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You don't think Zelensky should be looking into that?
I think the US should be looking into alleged US corruption. Not asking for Ukraine to do it as a favor.
Why do you think Trump has refused to open an official US investigation into the matter?
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:13 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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"may be bad, but not impeachable" boat.
Negative...if there is an admitted crime of our politicians using influence to extort money or other actions, I DEMAND THE EXECUTIVE TO PUNISH IT.
"Political opponent" is cover for defense, hiding the CRIME ALREADY COMMITTED.
It rests solely in the wheelhouse of the President to exert this law enforcement power AS CHIEF DIPLOMAT AND HEAD OF STATE when dealing with Americans committing crimes on foreign soil.
No one else wields this authority...now it makes you wonder why Biden is running in the first place. For this protection that the squirmy will give him, including you guys.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:15 am to bmy
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ot asking for Ukraine to do it as a favor.
Hung up on verbiage...nuance of language is a stagnation tactic, normies see right through this stupidity
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:15 am to cave canem
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That was one of the two charges he was impeached on, and your point is what exactly?
Which one was your claimed process crime?
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:16 am to IceTiger
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It rests solely in the wheelhouse of the President to exert this law enforcement power AS CHIEF DIPLOMAT AND HEAD OF STATE when dealing with Americans committing crimes on foreign soil.
Then why has he not had an investigation opened into the matter?
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:19 am to NC_Tigah
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Here is some of what we know:
• We know Hunter Biden joined the Burisma Board in April 2014 and was paid at least $3Million with absolutely no qualification other than his relationship to JoeBiden.
• We know Ukraine's General Prosecutor (UGP) oversaw an investigation forcing Mykola Zlochevsky, the Burisma CEO, to flee the country in Dec 2014
• We know that within two months of Zlochevsky's exit, the US instilled a foreigner, David Sakvarelidze, into the Prosecutor General's office. Sakvarelidze immediately set about undermining the Gen Prosecutor.
• We know that at the same time it was claiming Shokin, the UGP, to be refusing to investigate cases, the US was defunding Shokin's office and denying funding for those same investigations.
• We know JoeBiden ultimately forced (extorted) Shokin's dismissal.
• We know Shokin's replacement Yuriy Lutsenko, termed by Biden to be a "good man", is an alcoholic ex-con who did not even have a law degree.
• We know that within months of Lutsenko's appointment, Burisma's CEO was able to return from exile due to investigations being dropped.
So given what we know, why in the world shouldn't we give Ukraine the green light to look into Joe Biden's actions?
None of that matters to people who are cultishly brainwashed.
It's amazing.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:19 am to bmy
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Then why has he not had an investigation opened into the matter?
Because it occurred in another country.
It requires coordination with that country.
This post was edited on 11/4/19 at 9:20 am
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:20 am to Dale51
I have no idea. I heard Trump say it once to reporters when he had Ukraine President Zelensky visiting. The time he said y’all are being rude. Ask the President a question. Ask HIM a question. Remember that?
That’s the only time I recall hearing him mention it. I can’t understand why this treaty isn’t plastered everywhere. Maybe I’m missing something or misinterpreting the treaty?? But it’s pretty clear cut.
Here in this exchange linked below The Ukrainian President says “it was good phone call. nobody pushed it. How do you say uhhhh. There was no push.” And potus says “in other words no pressure. There was no pressure.”
Somewhere in this little exchange he mentions the treaty
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1RCowmzTToY
That’s the only time I recall hearing him mention it. I can’t understand why this treaty isn’t plastered everywhere. Maybe I’m missing something or misinterpreting the treaty?? But it’s pretty clear cut.
Here in this exchange linked below The Ukrainian President says “it was good phone call. nobody pushed it. How do you say uhhhh. There was no push.” And potus says “in other words no pressure. There was no pressure.”
Somewhere in this little exchange he mentions the treaty
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1RCowmzTToY
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:23 am to bmy
quote:Oh we absolutely are. However, outside of a military invasion, we can't just send our authorities into a foreign country and force folks there to answer US investigators' questions. Did you think we could?
I think the US should be looking into alleged US corruption.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:26 am to bmy
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Then why has he not had an investigation opened into the matter?
He tried to! but now they’re trying to impeach him for it!!! What do you think he sent Rudy up there for? Good God, and I’m not using his name in vain, seriously Lord help my fellow Americans who are brainwashed!
I just can’t wrap my mind around the lack of intellectually honesty and inability to think logically displayed by at least 1/3 the country.
This post was edited on 11/4/19 at 9:27 am
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:26 am to NC_Tigah
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Because it occurred in another country.
It requires coordination with that country.
If the US opens an investigation the Ukraine is obligated to provide assistance.
There is plenty of information that can be investigated in the US -- communications/correspondence, interview witnesses, memos, etc.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:28 am to berrycajun
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He tried to! but now they’re trying to impeach him for it!!! What do you think he sent Rudy up there for? Good God, and I’m not using his name in vain, seriously Lord help my fellow Americans who are brainwashed!
Asking another country to investigate is not opening an official US investigation.
See: Durham
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