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re: I'm Curious. How Many Here Think Lee Harvey Oswald Acted Alone in the JFK Assassination?
Posted on 3/9/26 at 8:52 am to antibarner
Posted on 3/9/26 at 8:52 am to antibarner
Its more likely that guy Bannister and David ferries were running a sting on Oswald to get him arrested and it got away from them. That was happening all over the US at this time.
This post was edited on 3/9/26 at 8:53 am
Posted on 3/9/26 at 9:22 am to NC_Tigah
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James Earl Fines openly claims (frankly with some credibility)
I had never heard of this guy before so what I searched may be wrong, but a quick Google search returns that the likely reason I have never heard of him before is that pretty much nobody who has really looked into his claims believes him.
The search cited the guy giving inconsistent testimony over multiple interviews and the timeline of his movements (and verified criminal activity) at the time do not support him being in Dallas that day.
There are so many possibilities, who knows?
This post was edited on 3/9/26 at 9:24 am
Posted on 3/9/26 at 9:54 am to goatmilker
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Murdering a guy in police custody surrounded by press just some wacky impulse lol
Transferring Oswald from one jail to another one should've been conducted with the highest level of security. They should've done it at 2 AM with ZERO unauthorized personnel anywhere near that building. But how they actually did it resembled planned chaos.
I guess we were supposed to believe that Ruby just happened to walk in at just the right time to shoot him. One-in-a-million odds on that.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 9:56 am to KCT
At this point, if someone believes Oswald acted alone, they're the crazy conspiracy theorist.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 9:58 am to wackatimesthree
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There have been mob guys (dead now) who said on record that it was a joint CIA/Mob effort.
Not exactly.
Not that I could find, anyway (although I am fine standing corrected if you have a link that says otherwise).
Dude, I know what I watched. You're free to not believe me just because you never saw anything like this.
This post was edited on 3/9/26 at 10:07 am
Posted on 3/9/26 at 4:00 pm to KCT
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Why would LBJ say this if his hands were clean? That Warren Commission was a total sham.
Yes and no, I can see why people say this after so much misinformation about the assassination, but empirical evidence supports the Warren commission conclusion of a single shooter.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 4:12 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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At this point, if someone believes Oswald acted alone, they're the crazy conspiracy theorist.
Hahaha, I think the evidence points to he did not act alone, but he took the shot alone.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 4:32 pm to carguymatt
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Jack Ruby is the interesting part of it. What motive did he have to kill Oswald unless he was angry or broken hearted over JFK.
Interesting that Ruby's conviction for murdering Oswald was overturned and he died before a retrial. So no one was actually convicted for murdering Kennedy or Oswald.
Kennedy, Oswald, and Ruby would all die in the same hospital.
The files that were released by Trump last year, included files from the agent that was assigned that question. He concluded that Ruby wanted to kill Oswald because he feared that the Jews would be blamed for the President's assassination.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 5:13 pm to dallastiger55
Bolt action rifle. Moving target. Adrenaline pumping situation would have made his hands shake. 3 rounds in 8 seconds with a bolt action rifle. Pristine bullet found in the gurney after supposedly crashing through bone.
Last shot is the kill shot that causes JFK’s body to move in the direction the shot supposedly came from. The kill shot location has a direct line of sight from the fence behind the grassy knoll. And the physics of his body movement match a shot from that direction (not from behind). A watchman saw guys behind the fence behind the grassy knoll and ended up murdered.
The CIA shared an address with a building Oswald was using as his address in New Orleans. Former CIA Director Allen Dulles was a member of the Warren commission. The guy who literally started the CIA and had been fired by JFK.
I can go on and on and on about the anomalies that day.
Last shot is the kill shot that causes JFK’s body to move in the direction the shot supposedly came from. The kill shot location has a direct line of sight from the fence behind the grassy knoll. And the physics of his body movement match a shot from that direction (not from behind). A watchman saw guys behind the fence behind the grassy knoll and ended up murdered.
The CIA shared an address with a building Oswald was using as his address in New Orleans. Former CIA Director Allen Dulles was a member of the Warren commission. The guy who literally started the CIA and had been fired by JFK.
I can go on and on and on about the anomalies that day.
This post was edited on 3/9/26 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 3/9/26 at 5:32 pm to KCT
The kill shot came from the front.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 5:40 pm to KCT
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Dude, I know what I watched. You're free to not believe me just because you never saw anything like this.
That's not why I said I didn't believe it.
Honestly, I didn't even say I didn't believe it.
I said nobody who has investigated the assassination seems to believe that guy. For good reason, apparently.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 5:42 pm to KCT
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I guess we were supposed to believe that Ruby just happened to walk in at just the right time to shoot him.
But that is what happened.
They have records with time stamps and witnesses to prove it.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 5:54 pm to wackatimesthree
Here's an interview with one guy who had ties to both the CIA and the Mob. The interview was conducted shortly before his death. This may have been the interview I watched.
You seem to have your mind made up, which is fine by me. My mind is made up to, at least with regards to knowing that LHO WAS NOT the only person involved in the assassination of JFK.
You seem to have your mind made up, which is fine by me. My mind is made up to, at least with regards to knowing that LHO WAS NOT the only person involved in the assassination of JFK.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 6:11 pm to KCT
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You seem to have your mind made up
I've literally posted the opposite a few times on this thread. Just because I don't believe YOUR completely uncorroborated and suspect witness doesn't mean I don't believe anything. I just have to have a reason to believe it. I'm not strting with a conclusion and then just believing anything that supports what I want to believe.
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Here's an interview with one guy who had ties to both the CIA and the Mob.
Again, a quick Google search says pretty much the same thing about this guy. Timeline doesn't line up for him to be in Dallas that day, there is no corroboration other than his own claim that he was connected to the CIA.
He does appear to have been mob-adjacent, however, and it looks like he supplied fake IDs of various kinds to people who did work for the Mafia.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 6:25 pm to KCT
If anyone thinks LHO was the shooter then they still believe in Santa
Posted on 3/10/26 at 10:24 am to KCT
I don't think Oswald acted alone. But the bigger question for me? How much was Lyndon Johnson involved in the assassination of President Kennedy? There's evidence of his involvement in the assassination, but IMO, there is not conclusive evidence. But I do believe he knew the assassination attempt was imminent. FACT - some really dark people swirled around Lyndon Johnson.
Lyndon Johnson was a morally bankrupt man. He enjoyed humiliating people, including Lady Bird and the members of his own cabinet. It is reported he had a habit of hosting his cabinet meetings.........while doing his business on a commode in his toilet. It was his way of taunting people he knew were more intelligent than him. Despicable man.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Lyndon Johnson was a morally bankrupt man. He enjoyed humiliating people, including Lady Bird and the members of his own cabinet. It is reported he had a habit of hosting his cabinet meetings.........while doing his business on a commode in his toilet. It was his way of taunting people he knew were more intelligent than him. Despicable man.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Posted on 3/10/26 at 10:33 am to KCT
There is a better chance that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn’t involved at all than him being an only shooter with zero ties to any outside groups (ie the official narrative).
I don’t pretend to know who killed Kennedy, because so many people had reason to want him dead:
Pro-Castro Cubans: wanted to kill the Capitalist president who was enforcing an embargo against them
Anti-Castro Cubans: wanted revenge on Kennedy for pulling support for the Bay of Pigs invasion.
The Soviets: wanted revenge for the Cuban Missile Crisis and missiles in Turkey
The U.S. military: wanted Kennedy out of the way because he was opposed to increased involvement in Vietnam
The Mafia: after helping Kennedy win out of respect for his bootlegger father, JFK had dispatched his brother Bobby to start rounding up mob bosses, including Carlos Marcello, whom they had deported. The mob saw this as a betrayal. They were also salty about the Bay of Pigs because the mob ran the Havana nightclub and casino scene pre-Castro.
The CIA: Kennedy had made overtures to abolish the CIA
The Federal Reserve: Kennedy had sought to remove money printing authority from the Fed and return it to the Dept of the Treasury
Segregationists: Kennedy was pro-civil rights and desegregation
Oswald arguably had connections to the Anti-Castro cubans, the mob, and the Soviets.
I don’t pretend to know who killed Kennedy, because so many people had reason to want him dead:
Pro-Castro Cubans: wanted to kill the Capitalist president who was enforcing an embargo against them
Anti-Castro Cubans: wanted revenge on Kennedy for pulling support for the Bay of Pigs invasion.
The Soviets: wanted revenge for the Cuban Missile Crisis and missiles in Turkey
The U.S. military: wanted Kennedy out of the way because he was opposed to increased involvement in Vietnam
The Mafia: after helping Kennedy win out of respect for his bootlegger father, JFK had dispatched his brother Bobby to start rounding up mob bosses, including Carlos Marcello, whom they had deported. The mob saw this as a betrayal. They were also salty about the Bay of Pigs because the mob ran the Havana nightclub and casino scene pre-Castro.
The CIA: Kennedy had made overtures to abolish the CIA
The Federal Reserve: Kennedy had sought to remove money printing authority from the Fed and return it to the Dept of the Treasury
Segregationists: Kennedy was pro-civil rights and desegregation
Oswald arguably had connections to the Anti-Castro cubans, the mob, and the Soviets.
This post was edited on 3/10/26 at 10:34 am
Posted on 3/10/26 at 12:00 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:Meh.
nobody who has really looked into his claims believes him
I don't necessarily 'believe' him. But his account is definitely not unbelievable either.
I put zero credence in FBI/CIA denials though. WTF else would they say?
As far as an invented story is concerned, Files provides a boatload of unnecessarily extraneous information, details which could be tracked and disprove his claims. For example, the details about meeting Oswald before the assassination. I did not know paraffin tests were only positive on LHO's palms. Yet that actually was the finding. I did not know the bullets retrieved from Tippett's body did not match Oswald's pistol. But they didn't. Both of those findings mesh with Files' account, and contradict the official record.
Likewise, Files' description of the assassination site, the tree with the overhanging branch, the mud, location of the street sign and wooden posts, etc. are very detailed. When asked which side of the tree he was on he, hesitated, then mimed as if reliving the event, before saying "left, it must have been the left." The fireball pistol meshes with events also.
You say you've come across information proving Files was elsewhere on November 22nd. I haven't seen that. Though we'll probably not be able to prove Files' account, associated facts could certainly disprove it. If he was definitively not in Dallas at the time, that obviously blows his claims out of the water.
This post was edited on 3/10/26 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 3/10/26 at 12:25 pm to GeorgePaton
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But the bigger question for me? How much was Lyndon Johnson involved in the assassination of President Kennedy?
No doubt. As I've already said, at the very least LBJ didn't everything he could to prevent any legitimate investigation into the assassination of JFK. Anybody who thinks the Warren Commission was formed to do anything other than rubber stamp the narrative that one man planned and carried out everything is missing the mark by a million miles.
Then the question becomes, "If LBJ didn't know about the planned assassination before it happened, then why did he do everything possible to thwart a real investigation into the assassination?"
LBJ's hands were definitely not clean. My Dad's people were from East Texas, and they thought he was a total scumbag long before he ever went to Washington.
This post was edited on 3/10/26 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 3/10/26 at 12:36 pm to KCT
You will get hipster contrarians in here eventually telling you the CIA being involved in anyway is just crazy. CIA is a purely neutral, generally beneficent organization under complete control and oversight by the US government.
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