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re: I’m a medical provider:Why we should be concerned about COVID-19
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:42 pm to phonyscandals
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:42 pm to phonyscandals
This is complete BS. There is nothing to see here. 60% infection rate; please cite the source (lamestream media doesn't count).
One thing is certain, this virus was manufactured in a Wuhan lab, and put in the general population to stir a panic. The Chinese are playing us for fools as always.
One thing is certain, this virus was manufactured in a Wuhan lab, and put in the general population to stir a panic. The Chinese are playing us for fools as always.
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:42 pm to ShortyRob
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Virus expert: As much as 70 percent of world's population could get coronavirus
Yeah that's how scientists talk, He is not a politician that talks in definitive statements amounting to horse shite. His field of science in epidemiology is to make models of pathogens and learn about their spread and their model shows that 40-70 people will get it. Models can of course be wrong but just because you don't like what someone says doesn't make it any less credible.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:43 pm to phonyscandals
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Young and healthy people have a very low chance of dying (less than 1%)
Seems like I have nothing to worry about. Carry on
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:44 pm to LuckyTiger
My sister went to the doctor today. She has the beginnings of an ear infection. The doctor told her she’s more likely to die being shot by a guy with the flu while driving a car into a swimming pool as he’s having a heart attack than to succumb to corona. I took that as a positive.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:45 pm to KingOrange
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The CDC at 2-3% is premature.
Ya think? We're still basing the actions of the largest economy in history on a current fatality number that is almost half from a single, poorly run facility. If that isn't an outlier one out to discount out of hand, it will do until such an outlier comes along.
Now - it is still very early for us, but the CFR is much closer to South Korea, outside of Washington State. That may hold - may not. We still have a long road ahead.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:46 pm to jimmyb1234
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One thing is certain, this virus was manufactured in a Wuhan lab, and put in the general population to stir a panic.
IF (and that’s a big if) China released it on purpose it was to fix their demographic time bomb, not cause a general panic.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:48 pm to the808bass
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So you think they had Covid 19 and died from something else? I hear more fascinating stuff on here than anywhere else.
Yes, of course I would allow that possibility. In a poorly run facility there could be any number of causes.
Our nation's infrastructure is being crushed by this panic. And the Washington nursing home is the epicenter of this hysteria.
That place should be gone through with a fine toothed comb - and then bring in the microscopes.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:48 pm to ShortyRob
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While I appreciate your point to be fair if I want to know the statistical Outlook of something like this a medical provider isn't who I'm going to ask
Point taken.
I’m just illustrating the OP’s appeal to (self) authority fallacy. There’s no one authoritative opinion on this. There’s just not a large enough sample size yet in this country.
This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:51 pm to phonyscandals
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I’m a medical provider:
Is that code for male nurse?
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:52 pm to auggie
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You want me to panic? Will panic help me survive?
I don't think he wants you to panic. Just, that this is a serious arse virus. No treatment....other than supportive. No vaccine. For flu...we have both. SO...the best treatment is to avoid getting it. It is currently ravaging Italy, partially b/c they didn't take it seriously. The social separation will slow and reduce transmission. Spreading things out helps us decrease the pressure on our medical system. Right now, in Italy, they are overwhelmed and are using a lottery system to determine which of the critically ill are getting vents as they are unable to ventilate all of the critically ill patients...meaning some folks who might survive...won't simply b/c their are too many people sick at the same time. They are doing this to slow the spread and limit the damage.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:55 pm to phonyscandals
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I’m a medical provider:Why we should be concerned about COVID-19
Okay...
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I’m a healthcare provider (PA)
Stfu
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:56 pm to the808bass
Existing conditions might be exacerbated, secondary infections (bacterial or viral) might set in.
Those come to mind if compromised by COVID-19.
Those come to mind if compromised by COVID-19.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:58 pm to TigerCoon
Of course. But it’s silly to argue that 13 patients in respiratory distress who also tested positive for Covid 19 maybe died from _________ (fill in the blank) instead.
It’s an intriguing line of mental defense from a virus. But it’s not rational.
It’s an intriguing line of mental defense from a virus. But it’s not rational.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:59 pm to phonyscandals
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I’m a medical provider:Why we should be concerned about COVID-19
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phonyscandals
Very appropriate user name
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Many people were alarmed, then, when the World Health Organization announced in March that COVID-19 has killed 3.4% of the people who have caught it so far—a mortality rate far higher than not only the seasonal flu, but also higher than earlier COVID-19 mortality estimates, which were around 2%.
That estimate may say more about the inherent uncertainty in making these sorts of calculations during an evolving outbreak than it does about the true deadliness of COVID-19.
The 3.4% and the 2% mortality rate are WHO's estimates which does not take into account the fact that China has been lying its arse off and nobody should trust the numbers from China. Second it does not take into account the number of cases in which people were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms and never got tested. The majority of people getting tested now are the ones that are the sickest are who have been in close contact with confirmed cases. That is why the number is so high. more people that get tested and confirmed to have the virus drops the mortality rate. South Korea is testing a lot of people and is accurate about there numbers and the mortality rate there is 0.6%. That is higher than the flu, but they are also not testing near as many people as they test for the flu so even the most accurate numbers available at the moment are probably not a true representation of the actual mortality rate of corona.
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The coronavirus has no vaccine and is MUCH MORE INFECTIOUS.
Yeah that is complete is bullshite. The secondary attack rate (the probability that infection occurs among susceptible persons within a reasonable incubation period following known contact with an infectious person or an infectious source.) for seasonal flu is estimated to be between 5% - 15%. The secondary attack rate of COVID-19 in China is reported to be 1-5% and the secondary attack rate of COVID-19 in the USA is currently 0.45% LINK
I could go on dissecting your inaccurate points, but I have better things to do. I will say that now we know why you are a PA instead of MD/DO. You are just looking at the number in the headline and not looking at all the facts (or lack of facts or the validity of those facts) and using sound clinical/medical reasoning to see the bigger picture.
This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:00 pm to TigerCoon
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Those come to mind if compromised by COVID-19.
As a healthcare provider (ER Doc)....I'm avoiding my elderly parents as they are both obese and one has Parkinson's and the other is diabetic. Several hospitals are preparing for increased volumes of very, sick...older patients by delaying elective surgeries to free up vents and tele/icu bed space.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:01 pm to the808bass
I agree. I'm not arguing that.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:01 pm to phonyscandals
40-60 percent infection rate? Youre a bird brained motherfricker if u honestly believe that bs.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:03 pm to MichiganTiger
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I don't think he wants you to panic. Just, that this is a serious arse virus. No treatment....other than supportive. No vaccine. For flu...we have both. SO...the best treatment is to avoid getting it. It is currently ravaging Italy, partially b/c they didn't take it seriously. The social separation will slow and reduce transmission.
Anybody with a brain is already doing this. Nothing else you can do beyond that.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:05 pm to phonyscandals
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The flu has a mortality rate of about 0.1% vs coronavirus 2-3.4%
Stopped reding after this lie.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:05 pm to Srobi14
Add to that the fact that these guys only gets to show off their models to the public once every 5 years or so. 'Everything will be ok' won't get them onto other network shows.
Not saying anyone is wrong, but maybe they are enjoying the limelight.
Not saying anyone is wrong, but maybe they are enjoying the limelight.
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