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re: I’m a 3x Trump voter and supporter but I’m ashamed at this peace deal.

Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:15 am to
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17244 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:15 am to
Are priority should not be ending the war by giving up but by helping Ukraine win it or do something else that will topple Putin the butcher. Ukraine was invaded, we should be helping Ukraine win.

You don't win a war by giving up.
Posted by The Scofflaw
Metairie, LA
Member since Sep 2014
1942 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:17 am to
When are you enlisting?
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16501 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:17 am to
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The America First effort is to stop bleeding tax dollars to a foreign war where we don't necessarily have substantial interests.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89841 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:17 am to
Send your kids to fight then.






Posted by ArcticTiger
North Pole
Member since Nov 2018
2861 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:20 am to
Do some research on Zelensky. He is not victim some make him out to be. More like a European Maduro than anything else.
Posted by Sunnyvale
Little ST. James
Member since Feb 2024
3340 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:20 am to
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Perhaps NATO should have honored the promises made to Russia decades ago then.


Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89841 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:20 am to
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Please outline what you think Ukraine gains from this plan, other than a stop to the fighting.



That's the point though. To stop the fighting.


Hey! Why else should we have peace? Don't say to stop the fighting.


fricking moron.



And btw, Ukraine is not our ally. I have been told for years that they are the most corrupt country on earth.
This post was edited on 11/21/25 at 11:22 am
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89841 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:22 am to
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Are priority should not be ending the war by giving up but by helping Ukraine win it



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When are you enlisting?
This post was edited on 11/21/25 at 11:23 am
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17244 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:26 am to
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The US Govt has dirty hands for installing an idiot in power in UKR a la Nuland.



It is our right to install whomever we want as our liason, Russia does not get to dictate that.

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UKR had several biolabs - which were US funded - with the capability to do harm to Russia



The USA has a lot of biolabs just like them right here in the USA. You do know one is located on the LSU campus, yes?

LINK

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UKR had US munitions also with the capability to do harm to Russia



Well I would sure hope they do.

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UKR wanting to join NATO which is an affront to Russia



Did they join? Did they get an invitation? No and no. Affront to Russia? Invading a country next door is a bigger affront.

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UKR has had several opportunities to realize they aren't Russia and concede a bit of defeat for the greater good of the country. They chose not to.



You don't let a bully win a fight. You dont win a war by giving up.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26542 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:27 am to
Peace in our time...

Posted by Jimmy Russel
Member since Nov 2021
866 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:28 am to
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17244 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:28 am to
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That's the point though. To stop the fighting.



The fighting must not stop now, Ukraine must not lose, it will make Russia more powerful and dangerous.

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And btw, Ukraine is not our ally. I have been told for years that they are the most corrupt country on earth.



You've been told wrong.

Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23405 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:29 am to
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The alternative is going to war with Russia. Would you prefer that?

It’s this. It’s always been this.

If people want to be mad at someone be mad at Victoria Nuland, the globalists at the state dept and the MIC warhawks who provoked this war and got hundreds of thousands of people killed maimed or orphaned so they could grab some natural resources and put Russia on their heels.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17244 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:37 am to
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What people need to realize is that there is no option to push Russia back and get them to concede territory. That ship sailed. The only way that happens is with US boots on the ground in a direct war with Russia and that would be stupid to do over Ukraine.



Just the threat of doing so would make Russia back down. We can do it step by step, for example, not doing boots on the ground but providing air cover. Giving more weapons and intelligence.

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Ukraine cannot win they no longer have the manpower. They cannot even hold out and hope attrition makes Russia blink.



It's Russia that lacks the manpower. Look at the soldiers captured by Ukraine just recently, a fighting force? More like Putin throwning every last middle aged and elderly guy out there.

LINK
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90799 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:38 am to
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Just the threat of doing so would make Russia back down. We can do it step by step, for example, not doing boots on the ground but providing air cover. Giving more weapons and intelligence.

Sure thing Captain O'Grady.



Posted by BigTigerJoe
Member since Aug 2022
14181 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:42 am to
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I’m a 3x Trump voter and supporter but

Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 11:56 am to
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Ukraine is not our ally. I have been told for years that they are the most corrupt country on earth.
You have been told that by midwits who cannot think beyond the transitive.

"I hate Biden. Biden helped Ukraine. Therefore, I must hate and demonize Ukraine."

Ukraine is no worse than at least half the ocountries on this planet, and better than very, very many of them.
Posted by geauxtigers
Biloxi Mississippi
Member since Nov 2003
2586 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 12:11 pm to
well we are ashamed we have to share our oxygen with you
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
13801 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 12:11 pm to
Ukraine is losing. You realize that, right? The longer it goes the worse it gets for them.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19829 posts
Posted on 11/21/25 at 12:13 pm to
We have no true national interest other than domestic politics in Ukraine. Historical or otherwise.

They never were a primary trading partner, in fact they kept us at arms length.

They did not want to sidle up to us, militarily or economically.

Even if they did, they were so corrupt it wasn't worth it for us.

They were only good for enriching politicians vis a vis corruption.

The one thing that could change that, they turned us down flat.
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