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re: If your kid called you from school and said there was an active shooter?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:43 pm to 4LSU2
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:43 pm to 4LSU2
And so what are you going to do when the first shooter is the decoy while a second or third or more shooters are outside the building waiting on people to evacuate and then mow them down.
This sounds like a very bad scenario. The best way to fight an active shooter and neutralize a threat would be to barricade yourself in the room with weapons capable of defense and wait it out in the same room. If a threat comes to your classroom you neutralize it and wait until outside is a secure as well.
My high school had several bomb treats throughout my four years. We always evacuated to the football field. If they really wanted to kill people they would’ve called in a dummy threat and planted a bomb on the football field. Or had people waiting with guns in this moment.
I believe and will forever believe that teachers are the only ones that should know the plans of drills and in the event that an alarm goes off the teacher instructs the students what to do. If students don’t know what to do while an alarm goes off they can never plan or prepare to carry out an ambush.
This sounds like a very bad scenario. The best way to fight an active shooter and neutralize a threat would be to barricade yourself in the room with weapons capable of defense and wait it out in the same room. If a threat comes to your classroom you neutralize it and wait until outside is a secure as well.
My high school had several bomb treats throughout my four years. We always evacuated to the football field. If they really wanted to kill people they would’ve called in a dummy threat and planted a bomb on the football field. Or had people waiting with guns in this moment.
I believe and will forever believe that teachers are the only ones that should know the plans of drills and in the event that an alarm goes off the teacher instructs the students what to do. If students don’t know what to do while an alarm goes off they can never plan or prepare to carry out an ambush.
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:45 pm to jmarto1
quote:Answer the fricking question.
I get the point but I think a lot of teachers are unstable. Not sure if I want them having a firearm
A or B?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:48 pm to DoubleDawg22
quote:
I get the point but I think a lot of teachers are unstable. Not sure if I want them having a firearm
Whoever said this my question would be, if you believe this then why do you continue to send your children to that school? You can find adequate housing to fit whatever budget you have in districts where teachers or more stable.
Otherwise, I’m going to guess that you have your head in the sand when it comes to dealing with your kids (much like 65% of the rest of parents) and they are probably causing trouble in their classrooms but they never give you the whole or real story this leading you to believe there teacher is unstable.
Are there unstable teachers out there...yes. Are most unstable, absolutely not and not even close. If you had to deal with the things that teachers have to deal with you might be unstable yourself. That being said, you aren’t going to give out guns to teachers like they are candy after Halloween. You are going to be extremely selective and you are going to train them excessively as long as they have access to a firearm in the building.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:49 pm to Pettifogger
quote:This is funny. You choose B, but then suggest that it's idiotic.
B
But wasting energy on pretending that arming teachers is some solution is idiotic.
That's you being honest, then feeling bad about your feelings.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:49 pm to Brazos
quote:
It may not be the solution but it damn sure will help the problem. It sure beats making a certain gun illegal because we know how well making things illegal works.
No it won't
It will make no difference
Just like mag limits or an AWB won't make a difference
Conservative "arm the teachers!!!!" lines 5 minutes after the shooting stops is just as stupid as liberal tropes on gun control
Make the liberty-based argument to allow teachers to conceal, but doing it as a response to a school shooting is useless.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:49 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:Potato.
A or B?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:52 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
This is funny. You choose B, but then suggest that it's idiotic.
That's you being honest, then feeling bad about your feelings.
no it's not
It's me recognizing that I'd rather my kid have a last ditch hope than no defensive hope
That has nothing to do with the fact that many, many conservatives hold up "teachers with guns" like it is something that will make a serious impact on school shootings.
It won't. That doesn't mean I wouldn't rather there be some .0001% chance that my kid's scenario would be the exception to the rule.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:57 pm to bhtigerfan
Depends on who the teacher is. A football coach who is a good ole baw who knows how to handle a gun? Sure. Little Mrs. Smith who is 70 years old, wears bifocals, and has never shot a gun? Not so much.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:58 pm to DoubleDawg22
quote:
And so what are you going to do when the first shooter is the decoy while a second or third or more shooters are outside the building waiting on people to evacuate and then mow them down.
I’d take my chances leaving the building without question. A gun free zone with no points of egress besides going through a common corridor is shooting fish out of a barrel. This week’s shooter pulled the fire alarm in order to create the funnel effect through the corridors. Take 20 rooms on one wing leaving at 20 different egress points, I like my chances over waiting for someone to stop the shooter.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:58 pm to Pettifogger
quote:I'm fine with that, but it should be done nationwide, not just in conservative states.
Make the liberty-based argument to allow teachers to conceal, but doing it as a response to a school shooting is useless.
Are you really going to try to tell me that if any of the teachers at the recent shooting would have been armed, it would have made no difference?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:00 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
If they're unstable they shouldn't be teaching our kids.
I can think of more than a few teachers that should not have been teaching when I was in high school
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:00 pm to Pettifogger
quote:Exactly. I would also hope they would say "hey dad, we have our school issued full body Kevlar on" as well.
That has nothing to do with the fact that many, many conservatives hold up "teachers with guns" like it is something that will make a serious impact on school shootings.
It won't. That doesn't mean I wouldn't rather there be some .0001% chance that my kid's scenario would be the exception to the rule.
Like I said earlier, if we had some highly unlikely major earthquake, I'm sure I would prefer to have had earthquake insurance, but I'm not going to base my decision-making on some preferred contingencies of every highly unlikely event. Otherwise, I would never be able to get anything done since there is always some rare risks that would not need considered.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:02 pm to bhtigerfan
your kid is 15x more likely to be struck by lightning than get caught in a school shooting.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:02 pm to AUstar
quote:bullshite.
Depends on who the teacher is. A football coach who is a good ole baw who knows how to handle a gun? Sure. Little Mrs. Smith who is 70 years old, wears bifocals, and has never shot a gun? Not so much.
A 70 year old woman is plenty capable of firing a pistol at a nearby target.
Just the gunshots in their general direction would make most gunman flee.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:02 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
Are you really going to try to tell me that if any of the teachers at the recent shooting would have been armed, it would have made no difference?
So realistically, are we talking about requiring teachers to be armed or merely allowing them to arm themselves if they wish?
If the latter, which seems far more likely, then yes, I think there is a close to zero chance it would have made any difference.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:03 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
But wasting energy on pretending that arming teachers is some solution is idiotic.
Instead of looking at it like “arming” teachers, why don’t you question why we DISARM teachers who are already carrying everywhere else in society without incident but have to leave their guns behind when they step on hallowed school grounds?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:04 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
quote:
Instead of looking at it like “arming” teachers, why don’t you question why we DISARM teachers who are already carrying everywhere else in society without incident but have to leave their guns behind when they step on hallowed school grounds?
Because that isn't the argument that is usually made within 24 hours after a school shooting?
Also, look up about 8 posts and you'll see I made the point you're making.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:05 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
So realistically, are we talking about requiring teachers to be armed or merely allowing them to arm themselves if they wish?
If the latter, which seems far more likely, then yes, I think there is a close to zero chance it would have made any difference.
Sucks that we’ll never know if it would have made a difference because we saw fit to disarm those teachers without any good reason.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:05 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
B) "Dad/Mom, there's an active shooter in the school. We're barricaded in a classroom with a teacher who has a gun and we can hear gunshots in the hallway."
I know no one wants hear either, but which would you rather hear?
As teacher's aren't allowed to have guns on campus I'd automatically assume the teacher was part of the attacking force and thus my child is in a hostage situation, so i'd rather hear option A.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:05 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
Where would the teacher store this gun? Do we install safes in the classrooms for a firearm then?
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