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If you were writing state law on abortion
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:29 pm
what provisions would you allow for legal abortions?
or what it be an all or nothing for you?
or what it be an all or nothing for you?
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Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:34 pm to ApexTiger
SCOTUS didn't recognize personhood for a baby/fetus when they had the chance, so do you want to stick to aligning with SCOTUS or do you want to try and enshrine personhood for the unborn? I think most states will align with SCOTUS and have exceptions for rape and incest.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:35 pm to ApexTiger
The only exception is the right of self defense. Even though innocent, if the child’s existence threatens the mother’s life, she has a duty to defend her life.
This would need to be brought before an elected board of medical doctors for review and permission to kill the child.
This would need to be brought before an elected board of medical doctors for review and permission to kill the child.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:40 pm to ApexTiger
quote:The French have it about right IMO. Legal up to 14wks. After that only for medical health concerns, and two concurring physicians have to sign off.
If you were writing state law on abortion
what provisions would you allow for legal abortions?
or what it be an all or nothing for you?
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:40 pm to TrussvilleTide
Louisiana did not -- no exceptions. However, judge now said hold up as people are saying "it's vague".
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:40 pm to ApexTiger
Strict allowances for rape and nonconsensual incest both of which would have to be proven and not simply asserted, because we all know rape and incest claims are about to go about eleventybillion percent.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:45 pm to ApexTiger
Majority opinion calls for making exceptions for rape/incest/life of mother
I think abortion is murder and that the baby is a person at conception, this is a tough issue, but I’d outright ban it outside of life if mom (which is extraordinarily rare) - innocent child not responsible for bad acts of father (rape) or mother (incest)
I think abortion is murder and that the baby is a person at conception, this is a tough issue, but I’d outright ban it outside of life if mom (which is extraordinarily rare) - innocent child not responsible for bad acts of father (rape) or mother (incest)
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:49 pm to ApexTiger
We live in a secular society. I think 12 weeks and no exceptions other than life of mother after that. If our society was moral, it would be no abortions unless the mother's life was in danger, but our society is far from moral.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:51 pm to ApexTiger
No questions asked up 8 wks. Let God deal with them. I think a life is a life- but if you’ve missed your period - and don’t get your shite together. Sorry. It’s enough time.
Exceptions:
- Up to 12 / 15 wks for sexual assault reported to Criminal authorities. Seriously, if you’re raped, go to the cops. There’s truly no reason not to.
-Medical necessity, with authorizing order signed by doctor under penalty of perjury. Loss of license upon demonstrated fraud on this issue. Jail time for doctors who do more than one false ones.
- Incest- with obligation to report of child is minor
- If child is minor - none without consent of parents, unless incest. Then obligated to report. If teachers have to do it- and for other types of physical abuse doctors have to do it- why exactly is there no obligation to report.
-Free Plan B in pharmacies behind counter.
Focus on encouraging marriage and adoption:
Education grants and tuition waivers to parents who get married to each other, provided educational/admin requirements are met. To non domicillary parents who are current in support obligations and domiciliary parents receiving current supprt or efforts failed to obtain support for non domicillary parents
Jail time for deadbeat dads if kids have to go on public assistance and civil penalties by public assistance agencies for amount of benefits.
Secure and improved adoption procedures and tuition waivers/grants and/or drug rehab and/or covered family therapy to birth parents participating in same.
State grants / Public assistance / financing options for legal expense, etc hand medical assistance to birth mother. Printed thru provided to fertility clinics and treating ONGYNs who know married couples having trouble having babies. Division of AG office which specializes in assisting in adoptions
To name a few.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:53 pm to ApexTiger
The only exceptions would be:
1) - viability issues with the baby (severe birth defects affecting ability to live outside the womb or requiring substantial surgery and a high degree of uncertainty for success to correct the birth defect or sustain the life).
2) - a legitimate "there's a severe, medically statistical risk of killing the mother is she carries to term".
1) - viability issues with the baby (severe birth defects affecting ability to live outside the womb or requiring substantial surgery and a high degree of uncertainty for success to correct the birth defect or sustain the life).
2) - a legitimate "there's a severe, medically statistical risk of killing the mother is she carries to term".
Posted on 6/27/22 at 3:58 pm to ApexTiger
Here's my thing with some of the exceptions people tend to gravitate towards...
1. How is a woman going to prove she was raped at an abortion clinic?
2. How would a woman prove the child is a product of incest without an invitro paternity test?
3. Why should minors' parents get to consent to a minor killing an unborn baby just because she's young?
Seems like most would just exploit #1 and no one would ask any questions
1. How is a woman going to prove she was raped at an abortion clinic?
2. How would a woman prove the child is a product of incest without an invitro paternity test?
3. Why should minors' parents get to consent to a minor killing an unborn baby just because she's young?
Seems like most would just exploit #1 and no one would ask any questions
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 4:01 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:These are the only exceptions consistent with the pro-life stance.
The only exceptions would be:
1) - viability issues with the baby (severe birth defects affecting ability to live outside the womb or requiring substantial surgery and a high degree of uncertainty for success to correct the birth defect or sustain the life).
2) - a legitimate "there's a severe, medically statistical risk of killing the mother is she carries to term".
Posted on 6/27/22 at 4:03 pm to lsufball19
quote:
Seems like most would just exploit #1 and no one would ask any questions
Yep. The exceptions just won't work. As NC posted, you have a time that is is allowed. After that, not allowed except for having to save the life of the mother, with multiple doctors attesting to the need, on record and suspect to losing their license/fines for false statements.
Anything else just opens the system up for abuse. I have a hard time nailing down what that exact time line is, but 12-14 weeks I think is a pretty good one. Most of all the organs are developed and functioning, baby is able to start swallowing and such. Plenty of time for the mother to know she is pregnant and figure out her options. I think it is a pretty good common ground.
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 4:03 pm to ApexTiger
quote:
If you were writing state law on abortion
what provisions would you allow for legal abortions?
or what it be an all or nothing for you?
im good with up to 8 weeks as long as the father signs off on it.
but the father has a 50% undeniable right to raise his kid, even if she doesnt want it, if he says no abortion, then its a murder charge against her if she does it against his will the same if he would give her abortion pill without her knowing it.
this idea that it is only "her" baby and "her" choice is pure BS, she is only half the vote in the choice and the father has equal say in the matter
Posted on 6/27/22 at 4:04 pm to lsufball19
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How is a woman going to prove she was raped at an abortion clinic?
This is the slippery slope of the exception eating the rule to me too.
I think make it contingent on the submission of a police report. Prosecute her for misrepresentation. (Not if the case isn’t ultimately prosecuted / conviction - but if she lies and the rapist is her boyfriend and they collude to get an abortion or something - screw that).
Posted on 6/27/22 at 4:43 pm to ApexTiger
The same provisions that allow for a legal homicide
Self defense
Thats it
It will be scrutinized just like legal shootings
Kyle Rittenhouse style
Self defense
Thats it
It will be scrutinized just like legal shootings
Kyle Rittenhouse style
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 4:44 pm to ApexTiger
None.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 4:47 pm to ApexTiger
12 weeks then only exception is if the mom and/or baby will die and then require dual physician attestation that it’s necessary
Posted on 6/27/22 at 4:50 pm to TrussvilleTide
quote:
I think most states will align with SCOTUS and have exceptions for rape and incest.
Rape I get, but I've never understood the exception for incest. You shouldn't get a get outta jail free card just because you fricked your brother. Now if your brother forced himself on you, that falls under the rape and its exempt. Your brother can face charges. Incest on its own should not be an exemption.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 5:00 pm to tiger91
quote:Good Lord.
Louisiana did not -- no exceptions. However, judge now said hold up as people are saying "it's vague".
The "vague" language in the TRO ruling relates to the nature of the automatic "trigger," NOT to any exceptions.
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