re: If you support birthright citizenship...

If you're born in this country to parents who are citizens, you are a citizen. But if you're born here to non citizens, you shouldn't be considered a citizen. It seems simple to me that that is how it should be, yet here we are.

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What other country should they be considered a citizen of?

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You do realize if two central or south American citizens cross the border and give birth here, the baby is a citizen of where ever its parents hail from, right?

Like, do you think children born from American citizens who are abroad aren't considered American because they were born somewhere else?

You are a legit idiot. These are the sorts of people who shouldn't be allowed to vote.

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I’ve always thought it was sloppy legislation from the start. They should have granted citizenship to people who were already born at the time it was passed, not indefinitely.

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Since that was the correct intent to begin with.

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Now apply that logic to the Second Amendment.

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The true intent of the second being that the Government shall not oppress its citizens by denying their right to keep and bear arms for protection from their enemies ....You must be one of the Musket only fans...

The reasoning behind the 14th was to grant citizenship to the children of former slaves...pretty cut and dry to me

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For example, Senator Jacob M. Howard of Michigan, who introduced the Citizenship Clause in the Senate, described it as “simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already.”

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I know what the words say in the actual amendment. But Sen Howards words, on the floor of the senate, where he clearly explained what the amendment meant and didn't mean, makes it baffling to me that a future SCOTUS could interpret it so incorrectly.

I mean, we have laws/regulations here at work that we must abide by. Fortunately, those regulations have a "Bases" section added to them which adds more wording and explains what they really mean. To me, the "bases" of the citizenship clause should carry some weight. It's all on public record for crying out loud.

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Two married us citizens travel to China (or any other country) for vacation.

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there are currently 33 other countries with citizenship at birth laws. Literally every country in the Americas, North, Central, and South America except for Columbia being the only exception have unrestricted birthright citizenship. This isn't some novel new concept that only the US has.

As to your question there are benefits to it. There have been many inventions and advancements created by 1st generation Americans that the US has benefited from. The pitfall being sometimes you also get people trying to take advantage of it for personal gain. I don't know the correct answer or what is better. But we grew into the greatest country on earth at least in some part because it was in place.

Regardless of whether you, I, or anyone likes it. This has been discussed and ruled on years ago. If we don't like it pass a law change the amendment.

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This just massively contradicts a the way this country was made

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It does, but then again the country and world is far different than it was back then.

Originally there was no country, so there were no laws other than what you and yours could enforce on your surroundings.

Once territories were carved out, they were largely for those countries who claimed them (France, Spain, etc).

Once the Revolutionary War happened and the US became its own entity, the states generally decided what they considered to be citizenship criteria for the first few years. Anyone who met that within that state was considered a US citizen by proxy.

The Naturalization Act of 1790 came along and moved that authority to the federal government. It also set the first framework for immigrants to become citizens by requiring they live in the United States for at least two years and in a state for one year before applying for citizenship., they had to declare an intention to become citizens and swear allegiance to the Constitution and only “free white persons” who were of "good moral character" could qualify. This (with tweaks) was the immigration policy into the 20th century.

Honey, lets get you pregnant and in 8 months we can illegally cross the US border for the birth. The US will then give us monthly welfare benefits for childcare and necessities which we can use to live like a king and queen once we get back to Mexico.

That's a lot tortillas, senora!!

Yep, that is exactly what that law means to morons.

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Slaves were not here illegally,

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This has nothing to do with a discussion about the 1860s and 70s. Everyone was here legally back in those days, because we didn't have legislation creating that status. That didn't come until decades later.