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re: ‘If you close Hormuz, we will kill you before you make it back to your f–king country.’
Posted on 6/21/26 at 2:45 pm to Penrod
Posted on 6/21/26 at 2:45 pm to Penrod
Some ships have been going through and the US navy has destroyed boats and drones that have tried to stop them.
If Iran had all this military power left wouldnt it be in their overwhelming best interest to sink a tanker.....and they havent done shat???????????????
Some of you hate Trump more than you care for our country.
You would be perfectly happy leaving them to have a nuke and use it on the US so you could still blame Trump for doing nothing.
If Iran had all this military power left wouldnt it be in their overwhelming best interest to sink a tanker.....and they havent done shat???????????????
Some of you hate Trump more than you care for our country.
You would be perfectly happy leaving them to have a nuke and use it on the US so you could still blame Trump for doing nothing.
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Posted on 6/21/26 at 2:55 pm to jammajin
I agree our own bases will be least affected, but still a decent chance of taking a couple direct strikes. But other countries infrastructure would be damaged. There will be damage. We can’t shoot down every single thing Iran will send over.
Personally I don’t even have an issue with that. But it has to be acknowledged that some destruction outside of Iran will occur and lives will likely be lost. Maybe it’s part of the price that must be paid. We can’t just ignore that price though.
I’m not in any way arguing against this war. I think it needed to happen.
Personally I don’t even have an issue with that. But it has to be acknowledged that some destruction outside of Iran will occur and lives will likely be lost. Maybe it’s part of the price that must be paid. We can’t just ignore that price though.
I’m not in any way arguing against this war. I think it needed to happen.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 2:58 pm to loogaroo
If millions must go, then millions must go.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:00 pm to imjustafatkid
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Your comment shows a pathetic understanding of our military might.
I don’t think he’s doubting our military ability. He’s merely saying that even a weakened Iran still has some ability and that we have to be willing to accept the potential price of our escalation. Our price would be much lower than irans of course. But they don’t care. We, on the other hand, have a much lower tolerance for losses. That’s why this war is still ongoing. It’s what Iran is counting on.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:01 pm to loogaroo
You cant make a deal with zealots.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:02 pm to trinidadtiger
They legit believe Iran has a fleet of battleships blocking the Strait and sinking everything in sight lol yet Trump is the one making “empty” threats even though we have carried out thousands of strikes. I guess their TEMU drones fluttering over Qatar and Bahrain count as significant military action lol
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:04 pm to loogaroo
How would we prevent the missile, drone and mine threats?
Run convoys using the navy and missile defense platforms indefinitely?
Guess we could try it for enough time to build a pipeline to skip the strait altogether but that’s years out if we started now.
Otherwise the options are peace deal or invasion.
Run convoys using the navy and missile defense platforms indefinitely?
Guess we could try it for enough time to build a pipeline to skip the strait altogether but that’s years out if we started now.
Otherwise the options are peace deal or invasion.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:06 pm to deuceiswild
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There will be damage.
Yes there will. There will be be damage because one of the worlds worst regimes, the regions largest threat, and the largest sponsor of terror in the region and probably the world will set out to inflict this damage.
This is the same nation (that will create this damage) that idiots here want to pretend
1) weren’t very close to obtaining a nuclear weapon
2) were somehow not a direct threat to the US
3) were not a direct threat to our Allie’s and interests on the region
4) weren’t going to continue to flex their ever increasing strength in the region including imposing it on the strait and are only doing so because we acted
5) are about to cause TREMENDOUS damage
6) the threat of tremendous damage they are about to cause has not been weakened by what we have done in the last 4 months
In essence they want to pretend
1) nothing has happened to damage Iran in the last 4 months
2) the restraint we are currently showing is weakness and
3) this conflict is the fault of the US
They do this because they hate one man and are willing to sacrifice the truth and this nation (and risk even more damage) as long as they can score political points against this man
It makes them disgusting pieces of shite as it relates to the US and the people charged with carrying out this operation. And they need to start to be called out for what they are doing and being.
This post was edited on 6/21/26 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:07 pm to BCvol
quote:Depending on which analyst’s report you can believe, before the war began the IRGC was believed to have 150K active troops, and Iran’s active and reserve troops combined >600K. They are decentralize by design, embedded in every province, which is why they just can’t be bombed into oblivion. Unless there is a fractured military somewhere leading a rebellion, which would amount to a protracted civil war, their civilian population just isn’t capable of rising up and taking back their country in some sort of Red Dawn fashion.
If watching tens of thousands of your countrymen die in the streets at the hand of leadership doesn’t motivate them to take their country back, it’s a lost cause.
>Half their country is comprised of women, children and the elderly. That would mean that ~35M mostly untrained and unarmed men(15-60 yrs old) would have to somehow unite and engage 500-600K trained and armed soldiers (who have been brutally oppressive) in some type of asymmetric guerrilla warfare. If that was part of the equation in this plan, it was ill-conceived and not very realistic.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:07 pm to Rip Torner
Iran doesn’t have those things, but they do have some things. Those things are apparently enough to scare Lloyd’s of London.
They’re tough to defend against. Even if we personally escorted 10,000 ships through the straight, which we are capable of, the odds suggest at least one tanker or god forbid, one of our warships, gets hit and possibly sunk.
We, as in the US, are either not willing to take on that risk, or we don’t feel the economics justify it yet.
Democrats are Iran’s biggest weapon, or ally. There are ways of disagreeing with the president than the methods they’ve chosen. They’re sick.
They’re tough to defend against. Even if we personally escorted 10,000 ships through the straight, which we are capable of, the odds suggest at least one tanker or god forbid, one of our warships, gets hit and possibly sunk.
We, as in the US, are either not willing to take on that risk, or we don’t feel the economics justify it yet.
Democrats are Iran’s biggest weapon, or ally. There are ways of disagreeing with the president than the methods they’ve chosen. They’re sick.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:11 pm to joshnorris14
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We do not have escalation dominance, if we did, we already would've taken over the straight.
Instead of trolling, how about a trotline?
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:12 pm to deuceiswild
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We, as in the US, are either not willing to take on that risk, or we don’t feel the economics justify it yet. Democrats are Iran’s biggest weapon, or ally. There are ways of disagreeing with the president than the methods they’ve chosen. They’re sick.
Excellent post top to bottom.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:14 pm to jammajin
I agree with all of that. I don’t know the post history of the person you’re arguing with, but some of his points do have merit.
We can’t simply do whatever we want over there with no repercussions is all I’m saying, and that appears to be what he’s saying as well.
We can’t simply do whatever we want over there with no repercussions is all I’m saying, and that appears to be what he’s saying as well.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:15 pm to loogaroo
MIGA Donny got the callPosted on 6/21/26 at 3:16 pm to jammajin
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They do this because they hate one man and are willing to sacrifice the truth and this nation (and risk even more damage) as long as they can score political points against this man
Nah….its not that some hate “one man” as you say. Most Americans despise situations where OUR COUNTRY looks both weak and incompetent. And right now, with Trump talking tough and acting like a pussy, we look weak. And with Trump allowing a country to stop the flow of 25% of the worlds oil (plus other essentials of the global economy) while according to him, we have decimated their military, we look incompetent AF.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:17 pm to tide06
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Guess we could try it for enough time to build a pipeline to skip the strait altogether but that’s years out if we started now.
The strait is already bypassed by pipelines. Kuwait doesn’t have one but I don’t know if they can jump into the Saudi Arabian one.
The issue is still the same. Iran can hit pipelines with drones and missiles and even easier than ships.
This post was edited on 6/21/26 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:19 pm to loogaroo
The beauty of Trump making a very generous deal is that if they chose to reject it then we will have the permission from the rest of the world to handle things decisively.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:21 pm to Timeoday
I don’t think he’s trolling. War is about more than military might. Politics and economics are a part of it too.
Think of it like a large number of LSU fans after a 35-7 win. Some just can’t get over giving up the 7.
We could indeed destroy Iran. But they WILL get their offense in the game, no matter how little it may be. And half the US population will lose their shite if one American plane goes down or one person gets shot. Hell, they’ll lose it if an oil field or desalination plant goes down in Quatar. It’s sad, but politics plays a roll. Anything that looks bad for Trump is a win for them.
Think of it like a large number of LSU fans after a 35-7 win. Some just can’t get over giving up the 7.
We could indeed destroy Iran. But they WILL get their offense in the game, no matter how little it may be. And half the US population will lose their shite if one American plane goes down or one person gets shot. Hell, they’ll lose it if an oil field or desalination plant goes down in Quatar. It’s sad, but politics plays a roll. Anything that looks bad for Trump is a win for them.
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:21 pm to wdhalgren
quote:
Quotation marks don't mean your version of what someone said.
I quoted Kane directly from Citizen Free Press.
https://citizenfreepress.com/
This post was edited on 6/21/26 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 6/21/26 at 3:24 pm to Ten Bears
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Nah….its not that some hate “one man”
Yeah, it mostly is.
The same “most Americans” you speak of are actively making our country weak and incompetent themselves.
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