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re: if you carry a gun.....

Posted on 1/25/26 at 2:20 pm to
Posted by GoneFishing21
Member since May 2017
3796 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 2:20 pm to
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So you think that the punishment/force by police/ICE should be higher on someone who has a concealed gun on their person even if they make no attempt at all to grab the gun and their hands are in plain sight


With all due respect, you have no clue whether he ever reached for anything or whether his hands were in plain sight the entire time.

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But just the fact of having a gun on you should make it ok for police to shoot if they see it?


Everyone knows he wasn’t shot simply for possessing a gun. As others have pointed out that most people go years of carrying firearms and never being shot by police. They also don’t physically interfere with law enforcement and resist being arrested while in possession of a firearm. Would you advise someone in Pretti’s situation to interfere and to not compliantly put your hands behind your back and allow handcuffing? What would be your advice to someone else? Or would you say that Pretti did everything right and was smart to interfere and not comply while possessing a firearm? Just curious.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9518 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 2:20 pm to
You worked with both? I doubt you ever did. You’ve been coddled most of your life.

Democrats are liars and thieves.

Republicans no better.

But not to the extent Democrats have proven themselves to be.




Posted by ItTakesAThief
Scottsdale, Arizona
Member since Dec 2009
10731 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 2:22 pm to
You seem to be forgetting his hands were not in plain site to all officers. He was involved in a physical confrontation with officers, people were yelling "Gun!" Not every officer had the same field of vision and would not have had the same perception of the situation. If the officer who fired believed he or other officers were in danger at the time he fired, then this is a lawful shooting. I have seen nothing that makes me believe that could not have been a reasonable belief by one of the officers based on his perception of the totality of the circumstances.

You are trying to take a incident that built over minutes and boil it down to a few frames that are slowed down an cover a couple of seconds which is barely enough time to draw a gun. In reality this happened so fast, that in that environment it is not even really an open question that the officer believed himself or other officers were in danger at the time the weapon was discharged.
This post was edited on 1/25/26 at 2:26 pm
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
21137 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 2:22 pm to
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So did Kyle Rittenhouse.


What did Rittenhouse do to keep from getting shot by law enforcement? Oh that’s right, he made himself not a threat…. Amazing how that part gets left off.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
181982 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 2:26 pm to
If a protest is peaceful, why would someone need a gun, though?
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
27196 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 2:34 pm to
Let me see.

Today I think I’ll travel to a protest against ICE agents and strap on my hog leg. I’m going to totally ignore the fact that these men and women, lawfully executing these arrest warrants have been threatened with death, harassed, spit on, rallied against by the MSM and had their families doxed.

I’m going to totally believe that my being on the scene and armed will serve to rally our protestors and show that we aren’t gonna be pushed around.

Then, I’m going to willfully ignore the commands of several agents, multiple times as I attempt to help a fellow protestor.

Let me tell you who Alex was. Alex was a fricking dumbass who had zero idea what he was doing or danger he had put himself in.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
15944 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 2:40 pm to
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“comply or die”

We have a duty to comply with lawful orders, like pulling over for a traffic stop. If you don't pull over, and even pull an OJ Simpson (low speed, no risk to others), you're getting pitted which may result in your death.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12218 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 2:43 pm to
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It’s really incredible to watch libs champion the 2a all of the sudden


Watching the opposite (MAGA abandoning the 2a) is more incredible.
Posted by MMauler
Primary This RINO Traitor
Member since Jun 2013
24420 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 2:52 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/25/26 at 2:53 pm
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19829 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 2:52 pm to
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What did Rittenhouse do to keep from getting shot by law enforcement? Oh that’s right, he made himself not a threat…. Amazing how that part gets left off.
AND he attempted to flee and extricate himself from the situation. He he neither resisted law enforcement or, more importantly, put himself into the threat situation. It was thrust upon him
Posted by GoneFishing21
Member since May 2017
3796 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 2:55 pm to
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Watching the opposite (MAGA abandoning the 2a) is more incredible.


Pretti wasn’t being arrested for a 2nd amendment violation. He was being arrested for obstructing federal law enforcement. He wasn’t resisting tyranny or just exercising his right to carry.
Posted by Clockwatcher68
Youngsville
Member since May 2006
8026 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 4:01 pm to
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You’ve been coddled most of your life. Democrats are liars and thieves. Republicans no better. But not to the extent Democrats have proven themselves to be.


Who in the frick are you replying to? I’ve never voted democrat in my life. Coddled?
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
37852 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

So you think that the punishment/force by police/ICE should be higher on someone who has a concealed gun on their person even if they make no attempt at all to grab the gun and their hands are in plain sight. But just the fact of having a gun on you should make it ok for police to shoot if they see it?

That is nowhere near what I said, or even implied in any way whatsoever.

My statement in a nutshell, stands as this: Pretti would be alive, with or without a firearm, if he had chosen not to physically obstruct federal officers and then resisted detainment. The choice was his, and the fact that he was armed only should have reinforced the logic that it could go sideways really quickly if standing against armed LEO.

I don't think it's that hard to grasp. You go to fighting cops and suddenly your gun is produced and someone yells "GUN! GUN!", and then cops automatically go into reaction and self preservation mode, as they should. And it happens in fractions of seconds.
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That really feels like the right to bear arms is significantly limited.

The right to bear arms is as unlimited as the right to suffer the consequences of stupid actions. A responsible gun owner would have never put themselves in that situation. And perhaps he was a responsible gun owner up until that point, but now he's dead and he catalyzed the entire situation.
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
4604 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 4:30 pm to
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1- he was armed


He was not armed, some dufus with a badge was holding, and firing, his gun. Him and the shooter should both prepare their buttholes for federal prison. fricking idiots.
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
21137 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 4:34 pm to
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AND he attempted to flee and extricate himself from the situation


I bet. The FO part just wasn’t for him. He had been agitating since 8 that morning at various points. He was put himself in numerous situations he had zero business being in, the female terrorist egged him on to act and instead of acting like a reasonable human him he FAed.

And he absolutely resisted, attacked, and got in way over his skill set. And paid the price for his misguided sense of justice and idiotic behavior. Same as the idiot lesbian. They push, push, and the useful idiots (read you and those that smell like you) are too stupid accept reality.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33653 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 5:12 pm to
lol. Little man, I could snap you in half.

#HOMOSTRONG
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
19373 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 5:25 pm to
I'm sure. You would have to set your purse down first.
Posted by LSUintheNW
At your mom’s house
Member since Aug 2009
36972 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 5:28 pm to
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if you carry a gun..... masked and annonymous federal agents have the right to kill you.


Somehow I lived all these years.

It’s probably because I’m a good citizen who doesn’t cause problems and start stuff whilst armed. I want to live and keep experiencing the good life.

Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
24775 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 6:46 pm to
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if you carry a gun.....


And brandish it toward federal agents AND fail to comply AND wrestle with those same agents AND fire said weapon in the agents presence then yes they can shoot you.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57817 posts
Posted on 1/27/26 at 12:07 pm to
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Again. I asked the other day if MAGA would turn their backs on the second amendment. It doesn't take much imagination to see that could happen.


Do you really want to pull up that thread and see how that went for you?

Again, with this retard, was he, or was he not, purposefully interfering with Law enforcement?
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