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re: “If Tyre Nichols Had Complied He Would Still Be Alive….”

Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:45 am to
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:45 am to
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No, sadly, I'm arguing that the likelihood of dealing with an officer with an IQ of about 90 and on a power trip is so high, you should effectively assume THAT is the officer you've gotten in any interaction.

Which, honestlty, is sad. But, that's pretty much what the last several years of the era of cameras everywhere have shown us to be true.



Considering the millions of police interactions happening every day, if it was that common we wouldn't have to wait weeks/months for the next big police freak out.

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Running around with your breasts hanging out or, dollars waving in the air might get you the attention of any of a number of CRIMINALS who then will commit a CRIME upon you. And, we will rightfully call them criminals AND tell you that you were stupid.


So you have no issue with the posters saying that the cops should rot, but you also shouldn't give them any excuses to use force against you?

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Alas, are you really wanting to run with an analogy that places a SPECIFIC group of people(cops) in the role of the SUBSET of the general population(criminals)?


My example does no such thing, as there are also men who do not sexually assault/rape women who they see walking around with their breasts out.

It's comparing a subset of both cops (those who will use force illegally/wrongly) and the general population (those who would sexually assault/rape women for dressing the wrong way).
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 10:49 am
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28026 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:47 am to
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I will add though. Don't think that complying is a 100% fail safe. For example. Would you "comply" if an officer asked you to let him search your car?


Why did you feel the need to add that?

I said "drastically reduce your chances" twice. How do you read that as suggesting 100% certainty?

And to answer your question, I would, and have. After running a redlight. Nothing happened outside of a larger delay.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299291 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:50 am to
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I said "drastically reduce your chances" twice. How do you read that as suggesting 100% certainty?



They were out to get this dude.
Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:51 am to
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It's comparing a subset of both cops (those who will use force illegally/wrongly) and the general population (those who would sexually assault/rape women for dressing the wrong way).



Well, here's another difference. NONE of the general population has state sanctioned authority to FORCE me to stop against my will at the point of a gun.

And let's just get off this "subset of officers" thing. Because no offense, this wasn't some random bad cop. Morevoer, it almost NEVER is.

It's always at least one complete shithead with 2-4 who don't do jack shite to stop it which pretty much KILLS the whole "few bad apples" bullshite. And, in this case, it was literally 5 cops who ALL acted in the same gang member manner.

If, when I'm driving around, my chances of running into rageaholic police is THAT fricking high, well...........I might tend towards fligth myself.
Posted by Marquesa
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:51 am to
Two wrongs make more wrongs.
Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:52 am to
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And to answer your question, I would, and have. After running a redlight. Nothing happened outside of a larger delay.

You ALLOWED a search of your car?

You're a fricking moron then. I'm sorry. That's just stupid.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
1-866-DHS-2-ICE
Member since Aug 2014
11647 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:54 am to
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It's always at least one complete shithead with 2-4 who don't do jack shite to stop it which pretty much KILLS the whole "few bad apples" bullshite.


Definitely. Look at the dude in NC who got shot in the doorway of his camper. They lied through their teeth to protect their idiot brother in blue.

Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:54 am to
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Considering the millions of police interactions happening every day, if it was that common we wouldn't have to wait weeks/months for the next big police freak out.

Police abuse of authority is ABSURDLY common daily occurrence.

It devolving into murder isn't common. But, their approach to citizens is such that it's pretty much doomed to happen. When you treat people as if they're your children and yuo have daddy authority over them, this will EVENTUALLY happen.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299291 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:55 am to
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You ALLOWED a search of your car?

You're a fricking moron then. I'm sorry. That's just stupid.


Bingo. That's just drooling level stupid.
Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:56 am to
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Definitely. Look at the dude in NC who got shot in the doorway of his camper. They lied through their teeth to protect their idiot brother in blue.

We are talking about a group of people who HONESTLY think that if they come blasting thru your front door at 3AM screaming, that the average person who is sleeping with a gun next to their bed(typically in a shite neighborhood) is somehow the bad guy for shooting at them!
Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:57 am to
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Bingo. That's just drooling level stupid.

The dude ADMITS a subset of cops aren't to be trusted...........and allowed a search of his car.

I mean holy frick......
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21126 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:59 am to
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How many instances can you show me where someone was being respectful and complying with police, only to be beaten to death for it?

Not beaten to death, but walk me through the Charles Kinsey shooting and legal outcome. They can shoot you, while complying, and 5 months probation, 100 hours of community service, and a 2500 word essay is the going penalty in my state.
Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:05 am to
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Not beaten to death, but walk me through the Charles Kinsey shooting and legal outcome. They can shoot you, while complying, and 5 months probation, 100 hours of community service, and a 2500 word essay is the going penalty in my state.

Or the shooting of the poor fricker in a Vegas hotel that multiple officers had crawling towards them. They GOT OFF! Their excuse. They THOUGHT he was reaching for a gun when, while crawling, he reached to adjust his pants which were falling off his arse.

Note, they, at no point had actually SEEN a gun. And, were playing a fricking warped version of simon says with conflicting orders.

But if a cop uses the words "officer safety" and "thought he was reaching", it's basically one fricking giant get out of anything free card. No matter how fricked up the direction.

Let's not even get into the fact that their definition of "resisting" is comical bullshite. They seem to think that people have spaghetti arms while getting cuffed or are able to freeze in place while being tazed.

ALL of those type cases caught on camera today are cases that 20 years ago, we just believed the cops when they said, "he resisted".

Cops have been CLEARLY trained to say specific phrases for the camera. It's a joke.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299291 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:08 am to
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The dude ADMITS a subset of cops aren't to be trusted...........and allowed a search of his car.



The epitome of irrational thinking.
Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:13 am to
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Not beaten to death, but walk me through the Charles Kinsey shooting and legal outcome. They can shoot you, while complying, and 5 months probation, 100 hours of community service, and a 2500 word essay is the going penalty in my state.


This case highlights another aspect of the folly of blaming the victim.

You know who is LEAST likely to perfectly follow police commands? A completely innocent person who finds themselves mistakenly in the crosshairs of officers.

The dude is Vegas was visibly shaking. You could see it from 40 feet away. He was terrified because he's got 3-4 cops with ARs pointed at him telling him if he doesn't perfectly follow their instructions, they'll shoot. And had NO frickING IDEA AT ALL of what got him into that situation.

Kinsey wasn't trained for the situation he found himself stuck in either. The people who are SUPPOSED TO BE frickING TRAINED are the ones in blue. Yet, when it ends up in court, we go over the behavior of their victims with a fine toothed comb as if it's some situation they should be 100% prepared for from birth.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62079 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:21 am to
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I posted this in another thread but here it is in this thread for you statist bootlickers:


I have no idea why you are posting this to me?
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21126 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:21 am to
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Or the shooting of the poor fricker in a Vegas hotel that multiple officers had crawling towards them.

That was in Mesa, AZ. Daniel Shaver was the victim. I actually made my mom watch that one on Friday, before the Nichols video got released.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
1-866-DHS-2-ICE
Member since Aug 2014
11647 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:24 am to
Because

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If the cops hadn’t pulled him over for the traffic violation he’d also still be alive.


implies that they were just doing their jobs and he didn't "comply" hard enough.
Posted by High Desert
Member since Jan 2023
265 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:24 am to
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That was in Mesa, AZ. Daniel Shaver was the victim. I actually made my mom watch that one on Friday, before the Nichols video got released.

Ahh. correct.

Forgot location. Terrible still. And those frickers got OFF!!!!
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28026 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:26 am to
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Well, here's another difference.


Yes, there are always differences between comparisons, because if they were exactly the same, they'd be exactly the same.

My point: Just because people don't point out that you should comply because there could be bad cops doesn't itself suggest that people are implying that that's because most cops are bad - just like people who comment that women shouldn't walk around with their breasts hanging out don't also assume that most men will sexually assault/rape those women,

WTF does state-sanctioned authority to use force have to do with what I was trying to compare?

I understand that apples and oranges are colored differently, but if I'm comparing them on the basis that they're both fruits then it's a valid comparison.

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You ALLOWED a search of your car?

You're a fricking moron then. I'm sorry. That's just stupid.




I'd actually consider your opinion if you understood the point of making simple comparisons.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 11:28 am
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